Ryanair screws up pilot leave requirements, and cancels hundreds of flights

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Ryanair screws up pilot leave requirements, and cancels hundreds of flights

#1 Post by photofly » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:44 pm

I don't think this has reached the AvCanada peanut gallery yet.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41305935

I understand the frustration but surely one's irritation at the airline has to be tempered by the knowledge that the airfare for the romantic trip away cost about $32, return?
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Re: Ryanair screws up pilot leave requirements, and cancels hundreds of flights

#2 Post by GyvAir » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:44 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41304456
The budget airline plans to cancel 40-50 flights every day for the next six weeks, after it admitted it had "messed up" the planning of pilot holidays.

An internal memo seen by the BBC suggests the pilot shortage could continue until the end of the year.
Is this the shortage that everybody's been watching for?
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#3 Post by complexintentions » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:24 am

Ahhh...the BBC... :mrgreen:
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#4 Post by photofly » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:47 am

Absolutely. The letters department at the Beeb knows me as "Shocked and Dismayed, of Little Dunnington". You really have to keep your eye on these types.
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#5 Post by rookiepilot » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:10 am

Didn't happen in Canada. Fake news. :lol:
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#6 Post by sanjet » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:56 am

They are now facing the full force of a pilot shortage. Lots of pilots have left for "real" airlines, . Ryanair spun this with well making it look not as it seems.
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#7 Post by FICU » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:20 pm

The couple were offered a refund of their £19.99 tickets
You get what you pay for .
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#8 Post by digits_ » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:31 pm

sanjet wrote:They are now facing the full force of a pilot shortage. Lots of pilots have left for "real" airlines, . Ryanair spun this with well making it look not as it seems.
Maybe now when you pay 32k EUR for a typerating they'll actually guarantee you a job :?:

Maybe now they'll treat their employees as actual employees instead of contractors that are obligated to use Ryanair approved accountants as they are the only ones who fully understand their creative "avoid social security payment"-schemes :roll:

Interesting times....
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#9 Post by BE20 Driver » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:59 pm

How exactly does one screw up vacation entitlement?
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#10 Post by Meatservo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:10 pm

BE20 Driver wrote:How exactly does one screw up vacation entitlement?
What I saw on the news was that a EU judge recently ruled that pilots at bases in places other than Ireland are subject to the labour laws of the country the base is in, not Irish labour laws. Hence the discrepancy.
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#12 Post by BE20 Driver » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:54 am

OK. I guess I can accept that answer.
My company screws up everyone's vacation too and we are all based in the same country under the same laws.
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#13 Post by infiniteregulus » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:35 am

Sounds like Air Georgian :lol: Don't think anyone there has gotten vacation yet either. Lawsuits anyone?
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#14 Post by JBI » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:00 am

Speaking of BBC, not sure if anyone has seen "Come Fly With Me" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00dgnnx

Passenger: "Because of you lot going on strike you've ruined our holiday!"
Airline Employee, Taaj: "No boss! You ruined your holiday"
Passenger: "How do you figure that one?"
Taaj: "Cause you were a cheapskate and booked with a crap airline!"
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#15 Post by single_swine_herder » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:51 am

"Come Fly With Me" is a superbly done parody of the world of aviation.

Unfortunately poor ratings caused the BBC to cancel the series after only about six episodes.

There are a few outtakes from various episodes on youtube.com be sure to add BBC to the "Come Fly With Me" in the search window.

Here's a sample

https://youtu.be/919IA_Lj0Ko
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#16 Post by GyvAir » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:52 pm

single_swine_herder wrote:"Come Fly With Me" is a superbly done parody of the world of aviation.

Unfortunately poor ratings caused the BBC to cancel the series after only about six episodes.

There are a few outtakes from various episodes on youtube.com be sure to add BBC to the "Come Fly With Me" in the search window.

Here's a sample

https://youtu.be/919IA_Lj0Ko
Found the six full episodes posted on various streaming sites and have watched a few. Quite enjoying them!
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#17 Post by KAG » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:06 pm

I just listened to cbc radio and there was a former Ryan air pilot stating this isn't about mis planning vacation but a pilot shortage, 700 leaving in the last few month. Crappy conditions due to no real CBA being the main reason. Interesting times ahead.
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#18 Post by Eric Janson » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:41 pm

I don't know if maximum hours are based on a Calendar Year or a 12 month rolling average.

I suspect it's the former at Ryanair and most Pilots have used up their hours and basically can't fly again until Jan 01.
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#19 Post by FOD_Vacuum » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:27 pm

LMAO to Eric Jansons comment. I almost choked on my veggies...
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#20 Post by photofly » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:26 am

Eric Janson wrote:I don't know if maximum hours are based on a Calendar Year or a 12 month rolling average.

I suspect it's the former at Ryanair and most Pilots have used up their hours and basically can't fly again until Jan 01.
I read a report about difficulties caused by the Irish regulator changing the hour accounting year from April-March to January-December (to match other EASA countries) although several years notice had been given.

Does that make any sense?
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#21 Post by Victory » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:48 am

Tracking duty time by calendar year doesn't make any sense, no.
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#22 Post by photofly » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:38 am

Apparently that’s how it’s done in Europe:
https://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/defaul ... atigue.pdf
In short: EU Flight Time Limitation rules set a mandatory limit of 900 flight hours per calendar year, to prevent cumulative air crew fatigue from endangering flight safety. This limit applies since mid-2008 and was reconfirmed in 2014. All EU Member States and their airlines complied with this rule – except Ireland. The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) chose to interpret ‘calendar year’ as meaning e.g. 1 April to 31 March. The rest of the EU interpreted it the intended way: 1 Jan. to 31 Dec. The IAA had been aware that this interpretation was unique in Europe. This interpretation happened to be very convenient for any summer-intensive airline regulated by Ireland. The IAA joined the EU-wide consensus only in 2017 – i.e. 9 years after the limit was initially set and almost 3 years after it had been reconfirmed in the EU’s updated operational flight safety rules.
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#23 Post by Eric Janson » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:56 pm

Victory wrote:Tracking duty time by calendar year doesn't make any sense, no.
It doesn't matter what system is being used imho.

What matters is appropriate planning.

"Long Term" at a lot of Airlines means the end of the week! :wink: :wink:
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#24 Post by photofly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:53 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41477267

"EasyJet said it would be "really pleased" to hire former Monarch employees, saying it had 400 cabin crew vacancies at Gatwick Airport and 100 at Luton, as well as job openings for pilots and head office staff."

Ryanair might be able to fill some holes in their schedule too.
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#25 Post by complexintentions » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:39 am

In the end, as long as the flights are cheap, no one cares...


Ryanair passenger numbers grow despite cancellations
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