Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

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Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#1 Post by cncpc » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:17 pm

I was reading a blurb on a flying school site that said it gave a mountain flying course for a license that allows you to fly airplanes in mountainous areas. It said Transport Canada required such a "license".

I recall having to do a mountain check to rent, but not a requirement to have a mountain license.

Am I just old and out of touch?

Is that grandfathered?
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#2 Post by photofly » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:00 am

Is there such a thing as a mountain licence? No.
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#3 Post by fish4life » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:59 am

zero requirement, I bet most airliners being operated into the mountains are done by pilots that never had a "mountain checkout"
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#4 Post by ahramin » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:02 am

Do you have a link to this site?
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#5 Post by CpnCrunch » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:25 am

Sounds like the person creating that webpage was just a little confused. Most flight schools require a "mountain checkout" before letting you fly their planes in the mountains.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#6 Post by cncpc » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:49 am

Sorry, meant to be a PM for Ahramin.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#7 Post by lhalliday » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:29 am

FWIW my mountain checkride was an hour and a half on the ground and two hours in the air. We covered all the usual stuff: mountain weather, ridge crossings, visual issues, and so on. I have since augmented this with mountain flying training in northern California (including high density altitude airports).

My plane's insurance doesn't say a word about mountain flying. Nor does Transport Canada, other than Designated Mountainous Areas for IFR folks.

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#8 Post by Spokes » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:38 pm

FWIW, I have seen a requirement for some form of a ”formal mountain flying course” for a contract offered by the BC government.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#9 Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:17 am

Would a 10 minute company-made online ground school with a 5 question exam be a "formal mountain flying course"? :lol:
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#10 Post by PilotDAR » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:00 am

As a multi thousand hour flatland pilot, before I ever got near a mountain, I felt I needed training and mentoring. I got what I could. When I was involved in the contract flying of another flatland pilot who was to do some flying in the mountains, I insisted he take a three day mountain course. He took the course, but after his fatal collision with the side of a mountain, while flying in ideal conditions, I understood that some important elements were not included or emphasized during the training he had taken.

In my opinion, as a very low time mountain pilot any "course" for mountain flying should be the entry point to strictly supervised and mentored flying in that environment. It's not up to the government to create "licenses" to assure skills, it's up to pilots to seek out the training and mentoring for their own growth and survival!
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#11 Post by Mick G » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:24 am

People flying in the mountains without familiarizing themselves with the training are really asking for trouble. There is a lot to know, even seasoned pilots get into trouble sometimes.....remember Steve Fosset............
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#12 Post by CpnCrunch » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:32 pm

Mick G wrote:People flying in the mountains without familiarizing themselves with the training are really asking for trouble. There is a lot to know, even seasoned pilots get into trouble sometimes.....remember Steve Fosset............
Attitude is probably more important than training. Even the people creating the training (I'm thinking Sparky Imeson) have done really dumb things and gotten killed.

In benign weather, mountain flying is pretty safe as long as you don't do anything stupid.
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#13 Post by PilotDAR » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:33 pm

"Stupid" would include loosing your horizontal reference. 'Sure, 'sounds easy, the benign weather offers you a visible horizon, so "up" should be easy to find. But, even in severe clear, if you get yourself into the valleys/canyons, you may be looking at just rock and green,with the actual horizon a few thousand feet above you, and pretty useless for reference. I believe this to be a factor in the aforementioned accident, so I've experimented with this in the helicopter. The differences in the helicopter; lots of visibility, particularly upward, you can really slow down, and if you really buggered it up, you can back out. visual cues are more vital that you realize, and once lost, may not be recovered in time....
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#14 Post by Cat Driver » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:18 pm

One of the most dangerous things about mountain flying is wind and turbulence.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#15 Post by photofly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:41 pm

Cat Driver wrote:One of the most dangerous things about mountain flying is wind and turbulence.
Um... those are two things. I mean, you can’t say “one thing is..”and then list two things. Grammatically. Just saying.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#16 Post by Cat Driver » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:48 pm

Turbulence and wind are two different things.

I stand corrected.
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Re: Is there now a special license for flying in mountainous regions

#17 Post by geneticistx » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:29 pm

Left my PPL training in Ontario for PPL training in BC. There is no "mountain license" or anything like that. Just lots of learning and observing. Be Safe.
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#18 Post by ccd » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:44 am

It is true now there is a rating almost for anything. It They carry on this path they will create a rating to be able to start the engines... Upsi, I am giving a bad idea to civil aviation authority! I must be quite!
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