You really think that is a possibility?Maybe he waa checking to see if you were awake?
Or are you not capable of logical thought?
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You really think that is a possibility?Maybe he waa checking to see if you were awake?
Perhaps the product has long standing influence on brain function after all.Cat Driver wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:35 pmYou really think that is a possibility?Maybe he waa checking to see if you were awake?
Or are you not capable of logical thought?
Well speaking strictly from my own personal experience having known both worlds, the social drinking world and the world where I do not drink my social life as improved immensely since I quit drinking and I still associate with lots of friends when they are drinking in pubs etc.Better to have an airplane driver who does not kick back and relax for awhile with a scotch with his friends, or, a machine that religiously follows the no drinking or burn in hell rule, that has zero contact with the real world and no social life?
That is quite a reasonable perspective.Meatservo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:04 pm A lot of people say that "alcohol is a drug that is even more dangerous than cannabis". I object to this as a rhetorical point because it depends on what you mean by "dangerous".
For one thing, saying "weed" is more like saying "beer". If we're going to compare drugs, let's compare "alcohol" with "THC".
It's certainly more poisonous, as in you can easily drink enough that it will kill you, which might not be the case for THC.
It's possibly more habit-forming- however that is also contextual. No-one starts using THC because it tastes great with a steak or because it's refreshing served cold on a hot day. Marijuana smokers have less in common with a person having a glass of wine with dinner or having a glass of scotch or stout in their favourite chair and more in common with a teenager drinking beer out of a funnel. For a lot of people, alcohol dependence can creep up on them gradually as a result of indulging in the social aspect of drinking. There is only one reason anyone ever consumes THC... for its ability to @#$! you up.
Alcohol has been brewed and consumed by humans for so long that I suspect our tolerance of it is a borderline evolutionary phenomenon. It's well known that brewing alcoholic beverages has been an effective way of guarding against waterborne disease. We are very aware of the effects of alcohol on our bodies. We know very well how quickly it leaves our bodies. We know very well the effect it has on our bodies. We know that you have to drink a great deal of it, over and over, for a very long time, in order for it to permanently damage our brains.
We don't know any of those things about THC.
I agree that alcohol is a destructive force in many peoples' lives. I agree that THC is enjoyed by many people. But "dangerous"? We don't know much about it. Some people are addicted to it. I think it causes an effect on the brains of users that is more insidious and harder to define, and possibly more permanent, than the damage caused by alcohol abuse.
I stand by my opinion that more research is needed before we accept all the hype, and dismiss all the misgivings about this drug.
Again, well said.skybluetrek wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:07 am What should be addressed is the real elephant in the room. The incompatibility between this profession and any drug is pretty obvious. What the real debate is about however: Is smoking pot moral? Is recreational marijuana morally comparable to alcohol?
I don't think we're particulary worried about the substance called THC, there are plenty of other, stronger and legal, substances out there and we're not debating about it. The THC itself should not be the issue when there seems to be a clear consensus around the following: (1) Cannabis is not as addictive as alcohol, tobacco or certainly “harder” drugs like cocaine and heroin; (2) Marijuana is much less physically debilitating than “harder” drugs, as well as many legally-prescribed synthetic painkillers; (3) Deaths from a marijuana overdose are extraordinarily rare; and (4) There’s a significant and growing amount of evidence that cannabis helps relieve symptoms of many serious medical conditions — including cancer, glaucoma, and AIDS — and can be a better alternative to narcotic painkillers.
The issue here is our f#$& up concept of morality and dignity. Drinking 1 to 3 glasses of wine or 3 beers = Another normal guy; Gets a bit drunk here and there = Another normal guy; Casual marijuana use = Stoner, Abuse, Adict, hippie, etc.
I used alcochol but here's a random top 10 addictions list: http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/sexual-ad ... -the-year/
How many of them could influence the mental and phisical health of a pilot? How many of them result in a moral judment of the person? How come we accept a wrong concept of moderation and abuse for other substances or habits?
Using marijuana recreationally probably isn't a beneficial behavior for most people, but it's not inherently different than other substances, such as alcohol. Our focus shouldn’t be on the private morality of individuals who choose to smoke pot.
skybluetrek wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:07 am What should be addressed is the real elephant in the room. The incompatibility between this profession and any drug is pretty obvious. What the real debate is about however: Is smoking pot moral? Is recreational marijuana morally comparable to alcohol?
I don't think we're particulary worried about the substance called THC, there are plenty of other, stronger and legal, substances out there and we're not debating about it. The THC itself should not be the issue when there seems to be a clear consensus around the following: (1) Cannabis is not as addictive as alcohol, tobacco or certainly “harder” drugs like cocaine and heroin; (2) Marijuana is much less physically debilitating than “harder” drugs, as well as many legally-prescribed synthetic painkillers; (3) Deaths from a marijuana overdose are extraordinarily rare; and (4) There’s a significant and growing amount of evidence that cannabis helps relieve symptoms of many serious medical conditions — including cancer, glaucoma, and AIDS — and can be a better alternative to narcotic painkillers.
The issue here is our f#$& up concept of morality and dignity. Drinking 1 to 3 glasses of wine or 3 beers = Another normal guy; Gets a bit drunk here and there = Another normal guy; Casual marijuana use = Stoner, Abuse, Adict, hippie, etc.
I used alcochol but here's a random top 10 addictions list: http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/sexual-ad ... -the-year/
How many of them could influence the mental and phisical health of a pilot? How many of them result in a moral judment of the person? How come we accept a wrong concept of moderation and abuse for other substances or habits?
Using marijuana recreationally probably isn't a beneficial behavior for most people, but it's not inherently different than other substances, such as alcohol. Our focus shouldn’t be on the private morality of individuals who choose to smoke pot.
This is the best thought I've seen in this thread.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:18 am Governments are knee deep then ....in promoting addictions. Something to be proud of, Canada. Is this all our leadership has got?
My area of expertise is not illegal drugs however I do get some of my information from true experts.As an example, I'm sure Just . is a sound man and a very good pilot, but he doesn't know his ass from page 4 as far as pot goes, but he blathers on as if he did. But that's Just ..
I would be very surprised if you couldn't detect it a month after it was consumed. Detect, mind you, not "show impairment". Heck, you can visually detect a habitual beer-drinking pilot anytime... Look at his belly.