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Pulling the Chute

#1 Post by mantogasrsrwy » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:38 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... TdRB5Lp2Gw

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Maybe he needed to hold the inputs?
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#2 Post by B208 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:40 pm

Deficient training.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#3 Post by AuxBatOn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:04 pm

In all fairness, the Cirrus' were never fully flight tested for spin recoveries and are known to be tricky to recover and in some cases, are irrecoverable.

Cirrus was able to convince the FAA to forego the spin recovery certification with design elements improving spin resistance and he addition of a chute should a spin be encountered. If I am not mistaken, the spin recovery technique for those is to pull the chute...

I wouldn't be so quick in saying the lack of recovery is purely the pilot's fault. No GA airplane should be so tricky to recover that relaxing the stick back-pressure wouln't initiate a recovery (albeit longer than with properly applied controls).
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#4 Post by mantogasrsrwy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:40 pm

I read up on it a bit after seeing the video and that's what I came across, parachute instead of spin certification and not easily recovered. That being said, what I read said they were recoverable. Regardless, he wasted a lot of time (at least 25 seconds) stirring the pot before he started to deployed the chute. Seems to me you would either put the right inputs in immediately or deploy the chute immediately. I'd be curious to know if this is the first spin he's ever seen. I think some countries (USA) don't train them.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#5 Post by rigpiggy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:12 pm

Not a cirrus, unless they have a rotax up front.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#6 Post by mantogasrsrwy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:47 pm

What is it? Cirrus came to mind because of the chute.
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#7 Post by B208 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:04 pm

Could be a Diamond DA40. Not sure if the canopy opens forwards or backwards on them.
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#8 Post by Kejidog » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:39 pm

Man. I am notsure how that deploys but think of the twists in the risers. Would the chute even inflate?
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#9 Post by mantogasrsrwy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:31 pm

Now I looked at some Diamond and Cirrus cockpits online I'm pretty sure it's not either of those. That v shaped panel with the parachute handle looks a bit crude. Do they make BRS for home builts?
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#10 Post by gwagen » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:30 pm

mantogasrsrwy wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:31 pm
Now I looked at some Diamond and Cirrus cockpits online I'm pretty sure it's not either of those. That v shaped panel with the parachute handle looks a bit crude. Do they make BRS for home builts?
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#11 Post by jg24 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:12 am

Not a Cirrus, chute deployment handle is mounted on ceiling between and above the two pilot seats. And not a Diamond, I've flown them during training and doesn't look remotely close. Judging by the cockpit, I will guess it's a light-sport/homebuilt of some sort.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#12 Post by HiFlyChick » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:40 pm

Glad that the chute was there to save his life, but it sure looks like he had no clue how to stop the spin and was just trying random control movements. Hard to tell if the aircraft was recoverable since he never did seem to do (and hold) the proper inputs
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#13 Post by dpm » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:55 pm

I've never been in an imminent life-or-death aviation emergency, but I have been first on the scene trying to pull someone from a burning car (many, many years ago).

I think anyone calmly criticising an accident pilot's reactions hasn't had that kind of life experience yet—it's like you've been transported to a different universe, where time is either incredibly slow or incredibly fast, and your brain is crystal clear on some things and absolutely incapable of thinking about others. I suggest going light on the criticism unless you've been there (and if you have, you probably won't be tempted to criticise anyway).

Not that we can't still study and learn, in a non-judgemental way.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#14 Post by Docbrad » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:07 pm

Honestly thought that was a simulator at first with the idle chatter in the background, the narrow view outside and a six pack of instruments on a single screen.

I can't believed he waited until the last second to pull the chute! It barely had time to slow him down!
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#15 Post by AuxBatOn » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:28 pm

I guess that my point, regardless of type, is that not all aircraft are certified for Spin Recoveries. A good way to see this is by having a Spin Chute installed. No sane company would spend the money to integrate such a system and add the weight to make an airplane safer if it didn't need it. Some spin modes may be irrecoverable in such aircraft. The standard recovery taught during your PPL/CPL may not necessarily work.
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#16 Post by JasonE » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:44 pm

I don't see much happening with the rudder, unless it is pinned from the start. I'd be interested to see the minutes before & what led him into this situation,
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Re: Pulling the Chute

#17 Post by Prodriver » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:01 pm

What kind of shit box was that?
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