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45 yr old and want to de a career in aviation

#1 Post by Eric537 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:44 pm

I am a military guy that want to make a change in career and jump into aviation. Is it doable or I am too old. I am not aiming for the airline big company but a company that would provide me a decent salary. I live in Quebec city.

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#2 Post by chris_h1976 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:28 am

Hey Eric, I am in the same boat (but 42) and seriously considering leaving the military after 20 years to start over in aviation. I will definitely be watching this post to hopefully see some helpful advice. Good luck!

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#3 Post by wordstwice » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:10 pm

You guys are definitely not too old even if you did want to go to a major airline.

I can tell you, from first hand observation, that the smaller companies LOVE getting older applicants with the hopes they won't jump ship for an airline. And I am not referring the the companies that provide less than favourable work conditions, I am talking about places like Porter, Sky Regional, Pasco, MorningStar, etc etc. These companies can provide and excellent future for people like you and a rewarding career.

The only thing I would caution you is this;

There is a sever shortage of pilots in Canada (and the world) but that does NOT include the 250 hour pilot-that experience level is still in low demand. Therefore, realize that you will have to get yourself above that experience level to be able to compete for the better jobs.

My personal advice (from a 49 year old) is do not hesitate and don't delay......no one knows how long the boom in aviation will last.



Best of luck!

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#4 Post by ctmorawetz » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:11 pm

wordstwice wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:10 pm
You guys are definitely not too old even if you did want to go to a major airline.

I can tell you, from first hand observation, that the smaller companies LOVE getting older applicants with the hopes they won't jump ship for an airline. And I am not referring the the companies that provide less than favourable work conditions, I am talking about places like Porter, Sky Regional, Pasco, MorningStar, etc etc. These companies can provide and excellent future for people like you and a rewarding career.

The only thing I would caution you is this;

There is a sever shortage of pilots in Canada (and the world) but that does NOT include the 250 hour pilot-that experience level is still in low demand. Therefore, realize that you will have to get yourself above that experience level to be able to compete for the better jobs.

My personal advice (from a 49 year old) is do not hesitate and don't delay......no one knows how long the boom in aviation will last.



Best of luck!

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+1. Definitely not too late. If you can get yourself to 500 hours, you'll be able to find a job in this industry.
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#5 Post by C.W.E. » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:18 pm

As long as you can pass the medical to fly commercially you are only as old as you want to be.
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#6 Post by chris_h1976 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:45 pm

Thanks so much for those replies guys! It's refreshing to hear some positive news like that, as reading a lot of older posts and different forums, all the advice is doom and gloom. Much appreciated!

My plan (if I do in fact follow through) is do an IATP program followed by instructor rating, and hopefully get a job instructing to build hours. From all the research I've done in the last while, this seems like the best and shortest route to building the hours.

Any other advice for someone thinking about breaking into the industry is much appreciated. Thanks again!
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#7 Post by JasonE » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:10 pm

Same boat here, love flying but not sure I want to work lower paying jobs for a few years to get to where I need to be.
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#8 Post by 7507 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:24 pm

wordstwice wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:10 pm
You guys are definitely not too old even if you did want to go to a major airline.

I can tell you, from first hand observation, that the smaller companies LOVE getting older applicants with the hopes they won't jump ship for an airline. And I am not referring the the companies that provide less than favourable work conditions, I am talking about places like Porter, Sky Regional, Pasco, MorningStar, etc etc. These companies can provide and excellent future for people like you and a rewarding career.

The only thing I would caution you is this;

There is a sever shortage of pilots in Canada (and the world) but that does NOT include the 250 hour pilot-that experience level is still in low demand. Therefore, realize that you will have to get yourself above that experience level to be able to compete for the better jobs.

My personal advice (from a 49 year old) is do not hesitate and don't delay......no one knows how long the boom in aviation will last.



Best of luck!

wordswtwice
Really! You think Porter would hire someone in their 40's or 50's ? I'd love to hang up my hat and retire at Porter and I'm an older guy myself. So there is hope for places like Porter for the old guy.
If I have an opportunity to get in with Porter I wouldn't go anywhere else and be happy flying a dash 8 . I wouldn't jump the ship as they say.

42 and 45 is not old go for it, we only live once.
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#9 Post by wordstwice » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:52 pm

Without a doubt Porter would hire someone in their 50’s. As long as you meet their qualifications and are a good fit for them.

I’ve seen it first hand, don’t let your age deter you!
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#10 Post by 7507 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:20 am

wordstwice wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:52 pm
Without a doubt Porter would hire someone in their 50’s. As long as you meet their qualifications and are a good fit for them.

I’ve seen it first hand, don’t let your age deter you!
They're advertising for 1000 hours but we would look at you with less time if you had other qualifications , I'm wondering if they hired someone less than 1000 hours that brought other life and work experience?
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#11 Post by Sneeker » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:27 am

It is very doable. You will have to work your ass off and be open to taking shit from younger guys that think they know everything about life and actually know more about aviation then you currently do. Hard work and keeping it humble goes a long way in the industry. Good luck and have fun.
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#12 Post by AuxBatOn » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:01 pm

Why not change to aviation IN the military?
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#13 Post by AirFrame » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:43 am

JasonE wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:10 pm
Same boat here, love flying but not sure I want to work lower paying jobs for a few years to get to where I need to be.
This. I'm well over 500 hours, but going back to a $35K salary at 46 just wouldn't be possible.
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#14 Post by MD2009 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:52 am

AuxBatOn wrote:
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Why not change to aviation IN the military?
Hi AuxBatOn - just curious, how many pilot trainees north of 40 have you seen move through the military pipeline? Is the fighter stream within reach for the more 'experienced' trainees?
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#15 Post by 7507 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:04 am

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Same boat here, love flying but not sure I want to work lower paying jobs for a few years to get to where I need to be.
This. I'm well over 500 hours, but going back to a $35K salary at 46 just wouldn't be possible.

I agree but if we don't it for a short time we'll never get to that next higher scale. I don't like the 35k either but I can't think of any other way.
I'm not saying I'm going to do it for 35k like you said but it's either or be where you are forever.
We can instruct and be home every night, frustrating.
I also love to teach so there is lots of shit we have to consider.
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#17 Post by AuxBatOn » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 pm

MD2009 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:52 am
AuxBatOn wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:01 pm
Why not change to aviation IN the military?
Hi AuxBatOn - just curious, how many pilot trainees north of 40 have you seen move through the military pipeline? Is the fighter stream within reach for the more 'experienced' trainees?
I've seen people go through in their late 30s/early 40s. Less so on the fighter side but definately on the Multi/Helo side.

It's worth thinking about. Free training, good salary from the get go and you stay in the military (and accumulate pensionable time). It also comes with all the negatives of the military but I don't think it's worse than starting in civilian aviation.
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#18 Post by chris_h1976 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:25 am

Sneeker wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:27 am
It is very doable. You will have to work your ass off and be open to taking shit from younger guys that think they know everything about life and actually know more about aviation then you currently do. Hard work and keeping it humble goes a long way in the industry. Good luck and have fun.
This- not a problem. 20 years in the Army, definitely not afraid of hard work, and I've had to work with all sorts! Thanks!
AuxBatOn wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 pm
MD2009 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:52 am
AuxBatOn wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:01 pm
Why not change to aviation IN the military?
Hi AuxBatOn - just curious, how many pilot trainees north of 40 have you seen move through the military pipeline? Is the fighter stream within reach for the more 'experienced' trainees?
I've seen people go through in their late 30s/early 40s. Less so on the fighter side but definately on the Multi/Helo side.

It's worth thinking about. Free training, good salary from the get go and you stay in the military (and accumulate pensionable time). It also comes with all the negatives of the military but I don't think it's worse than starting in civilian aviation.
AuxBatOn, I looked into it a few years ago. As you can imagine, it's a very competitive process, and without a university degree or at least a bunch of credits, it would be virtually impossible- for me at least. If a person already had a degree and second language profile, it may be possible. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:10 pm
Same boat here, love flying but not sure I want to work lower paying jobs for a few years to get to where I need to be.
This. I'm well over 500 hours, but going back to a $35K salary at 46 just wouldn't be possible.

I agree but if we don't it for a short time we'll never get to that next higher scale. I don't like the 35k either but I can't think of any other way.
I'm not saying I'm going to do it for 35k like you said but it's either or be where you are forever.
We can instruct and be home every night, frustrating.
I also love to teach so there is lots of shit we have to consider.
7507-well said!
Personally I'm actually in a pretty good position- although making half my current salary does not sound too appealing, I have no children, no mortgage, no debts. I have a very supportive wife (who will work to help make ends meet) and a dog! What more could I ask for?

I also love to teach, so I'm very much looking forward to it.

Bottom line, you said it perfectly- it's either that, or be where you are forever. Although I don't regret my time in the military, it has been long enough and every year that goes by, I realize it more, as well as how short life is. That used to be just a cliché that old dudes used to say- but now it really has a lot of meaning for me.

Best of luck to all you guys too!
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#19 Post by fruitloops » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:37 pm

A very good friend of mine, quit their day job at age 40, did their private/commercial/etc..... 5,000+ hrs tt later ... they made it to big red at age 49 last Dec 2017... I think with the current pilot shortage and it most likely continuing, it's probably never been a better time to be joining the industry. Add in companies like JAZZ, GGN, Porter, Pacific Coastal, etc. putting sub 1,000 hr pilots on the line and your potential to make it a career is high.
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#20 Post by Donald » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:27 pm

You only get one shot at life, will you be happy with not having tried it?
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#21 Post by confusedalot » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:49 pm

To the OP;

Getting started in this business is no picnic, but, these times are the best of times, you can at least expect opportunities if you are flexible.
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#22 Post by chris_h1976 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Donald wrote:
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You only get one shot at life, will you be happy with not having tried it?
Amen man! This is what it comes down to!

I know I'm not the OP, but I've definitely benefitted from all the great replies and I want to thank all you guys with the experience and great insight for taking the time to post the very helpful and inspiring info and advice! You've definitely helped me to make this very difficult decision a bit easier!
Cheers!

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#23 Post by HansDietrich » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:35 am

Change is always good, but you must be prepared to accept very low paying salaries. You'll be 50 before you can make a proper wage. If money isn't an issue and you want a change in life, by all means do it, but in my opinion, the risk / reward is not worth it. The only real advice I can give you is to be informed; be very informed, so you can make a decision based on facts, not on a "best case scenario" basis.
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#24 Post by rookiepilot » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:45 am

Good luck. I am still reinventing myself at 49. Never stop dreaming.
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#25 Post by JasonE » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:45 pm

What does a 500-1000 hr commercial pilot (group 1 IFR) actually make these days?
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