F*** You. Pay me.

[C.W.E.]

Pilots entourage all know about your dream coz you"re loud and proud so yeah Pilots are no ordinary people so “F*** you. Pay me.”

You are worth what you can negotiate with an employer, and to an employer you " ARE " ordinary because there really is no shortage of pilots.

[77W]

I don’t know about you guys but I’m working where I do to attain the “position of f*** you”.

https://youtu.be/I8kHzZykCI0

[confusedalot]

I don’t know about you guys but I’m working where I do to attain the “position of f*** you”.

https://youtu.be/I8kHzZykCI0

He he he, that's the way you live life.

But really, for those who have not attained this valhalla, suggest a bit of backroom negotiations before telling an employer to you know what.....

[complexintentions]

One of the best days of my life was when I was able to say those magic words - in effect - to the industry and well, working in general lol. I still love flying and the lifestyle, but to not NEED it is the greatest luxury imaginable. A worthy goal to be sure.

But as someone who rides the line of sympathies for both owner/shareholders and employees - I am both - I don't think the OP's sentiment will actually accomplish anything positive for him. Employers pay less because they can, just like pilots take the best opportunities available to them. Getting personal about it is the mark of a loser.

Like a poker player with a bad tell.

[Phlyer]

From the dearly departed 748 ho:

"TO ALL YOU LOW TIME MEN OUT THERE THAT CAME OFF C-QQQQQ KEEP THE FAITH AND TELLIM I DONT TAKE NO CRAP OR LICK NO BAG JUST NO HOW TO FLY THE SHIT OUT OF HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KICK ASS MEN HOPE TO SEEYAHHH UP THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Liftdump]

I miss 748 ho

[B208]

Employees will end up at the company they deserve, employers will end up with the staff they deserve.

[NobodyCares]

Pilot A and Pilot B come into a room... Pilot A Fack you.. pay me... Pilot B... I'll clean your toilets too for some turbine time (Pilot B also knows in 1 year he'll be flying at Jazz or Encore)

[rookiepilot]

Just thought I’d pop by to state the obvious.

With demand exceeding supply in the pilot market for the first time in a very long time, it behooves all of us to remember what to say whenever ANYONE brings it up.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to every employer. You want loyalty? You want my labour? After gleefully driving salaries into the toilet, gutting benefits, sending greenhorns out in garbage equipment?

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to the public. After refusing to allow carriers to compete on nothing but price, expecting limousine service for the cost of a taxi ride, launching into hysterics every time you got bad feelings?

“F*** you. Pay me.”

Say it to the media, your MP, whoever, whenever you get the chance. This is not a crisis, it does not need a special program. There’s not a single a**hole out there who lost a moments peace profiting from an excess of supply in our profession. Now it’s our turn.

“F*** you. Pay me.”

That attitude might work. For a little while in the hottest labour market.

I'm curious though if this is wise long term advice.

Let's assume I'm an owner hiring pilots during a period like now. (I'm not in this business, BTW)

2 come in. One says, indirectly or not, what you are saying. Attitude. The other is completely professional, polite, helpful.

Cause I'm screaming for pilots, I hire you both. And pay you.

Fast forward a few years.

Which pilot first gets promoted?
Or ---
Which pilot first gets laid off when the inevitable economic slowdown happens?

Did I mention -- business guys talk? They share information about the troublemakers. Think about it, before shooting off mouth.

Won't always be the pilots market it is today. That you can count on. It's already turning under your feet, you just don't know it.

So it's a choice. Have attitude, shoot off mouth, and see in the long run where it gets you. Or keep mouth shut, and do your job.

Might be harsh, but employees don't have the automatic right to have attitude. There is little, personally, I despise more. Shock to some, I know. That's a privilege, not a right.

I'm simply writing to the slightly more thoughtful out there.

[Tips Up]

[quote=Anticyclone post_id=1026350 time=1516587308 user_id=47767

Pilots are no ordinary people, pilots journey starts at the age of 4 or 5, Pilots dream about flying aircrafts with closed eyes with open eyes, Pilots love this teacher question at school " What job do you want to do when you get old ?", Pilots always heads up in the sky if not to spot planes to contemplate clouds, Pilots entourage all know about your dream coz you"re loud and proud so yeah Pilots are no ordinary people so “F*** you. Pay me.”
[/quote]

No. You are ordinary. Just as I am ordinary, my neighbour is ordinary, the Prime Minister is ordinary and same with NCP, Cat Driver, BPF, etc etc. None of us are special although some may believe it. Like the rest, they sleep, breath, eat and at some point die. No exceptions. Nobody who really will remember us a few decades after. And the world carries on just fine.

So, enjoy the life you have. Enjoy that first awake breath you take, that perfect morning or evening flight and that perfect glassy water landing or new plane. Be respectful. Learn and explore. Be willing to do those jobs “beneath” you as they can teach you as well as those around you. Move on if you don’t enjoy your job. Stand up for the important things in your life but put them in context because, in the end, all that really matters is the family and friends around you and the adventures you had on the way.

Hey. It’s Sunday.

[skybaron]

Oh ffs.

Sure. Maybe be a diplomat. Maybe ‘tell them to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip’.

Couch your language in a fashion that doesn’t bunch the panties like they’ve been bunched here.

But don’t mistake the message.

I can’t f***ing believe I have to elaborate:

“Time building is not compensation. The company pay scale is not the word of god. Contracts all come up for negotiation. F*** YOU. PAY ME.”

This made me laugh.

Dialogue inspired by a great film no doubt.


https://youtu.be/3XGAmPRxV48

Now, if we only had a “Paulie” type in contract negotiations...

[C.W.E.]

Anyone with an IQ over room temperature knows having the attitude of Fu.k you is not the way to start a career.

Those who think and act that way usually will not have much of a career.

[saltypilot]

In the immortal words of Ricky, “What comes around is all around”.

[North Shore]

No. You are ordinary. Just as I am ordinary, my neighbour is ordinary, the Prime Minister is ordinary and same with NCP, Cat Driver, BPF, etc etc. None of us are special although some may believe it. Like the rest, they sleep, breath, eat and at some point die. No exceptions. Nobody who really will remember us a few decades after. And the world carries on just fine.

So, enjoy the life you have. Enjoy that first awake breath you take, that perfect morning or evening flight and that perfect glassy water landing or new plane. Be respectful. Learn and explore. Be willing to do those jobs “beneath” you as they can teach you as well as those around you. Move on if you don’t enjoy your job. Stand up for the important things in your life but put them in context because, in the end, all that really matters is the family and friends around you and the adventures you had on the way.

Hey. It’s Sunday.

...[sniff]...pass the tissues, please...

[Pat Richard]

I know its a pilot thread, but from a very experienced AME, F*** You. Pay me.

[complexintentions]

There sure are a lot of tough guys on the internet.

[Meatservo]

I can attest that I was renumerated quite well.

Ok this is going to mess you up. The word you're looking for is "remunerated", not "renumerated". I only recently discovered this. I've been saying it incorrectly for years!

Otherwise I agree with your post completely. I've been in the industry for years and I've always felt I was fairly compensated. I work hard and try to keep my bitching to a minimum.

I always thought it was renumerated too. I bet there are a few of us. My vocabulary is improved.

The same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. Imagine my surprise to find out I had been mispronouncing it all along. I still secretly think "renumerated" sounds better.

I also used to think it was "sea anenomes" rather than the correct "sea anemones". It takes a while to learn all these words, doesn't it?

On topic, I take hybrid approach. I try to be respectful, professional, and heck, even obedient, at least most of the time, but inside my brain, I am always thinking "**** you, pay me". The same way that my employer, at least most of the time, tries to be civil and fair, and pay lip service to my personal feelings, but in their collective minds they are thinking "**** you, get to work". It's been ever thus. Got to keep on grinding.