RAIC application refusal

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Do you think I will receive a RAIC?

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YES
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NO
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I need more information
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RAIC application refusal

#1 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:11 pm

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#2 Post by ahramin » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:07 am

I don't think you can try to figure it out from a logical, regulatory, or historical point of view. They're completely out to lunch, completely unaccountable, and all over the map. Recently the transvestites were suddenly a security risk and then six weeks later weren't anymore.

I would suggest you just apply and see how it goes. What do you have to lose?
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#3 Post by Bede » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:12 am

What was the charge?

If it's a DUI, probably you'll be OK. If it's anything drug or gang related, forget it- people have been denied RAIC's for having ex-husbands join a gang.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#4 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:42 am

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#5 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:46 am

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#6 Post by Roar » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:54 am

There is no regulation specifically requiring a RAIC at any airport in Canada for pilots, what's needed is a document of entitlement of which a RAIC is but one method of compliance. Your pilots license is also a perfectly valid document of entitlement if certain rules are followed, see below.
Marginal note:Pilot’s licence

(2) A pilot’s licence issued under the Canadian Aviation Regulations is a document of entitlement for a restricted area that is used by general aviation, if the holder of the licence also holds a valid medical certificate of a category that is appropriate for that licence and

(a) is acting in the course of their employment; or

(b) requires access to an aircraft that they own or operate.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu ... ge-18.html

So what a RAIC was invented for was a way to give non pilots a way to access restricted areas and what's happened over time is the airport authorities have told everyone they need to have one including pilots, and it's just been easier for companies and pilots to get a RAIC than fight the system. But being a pilot going to the aircraft you operate you in no way need a RAIC your pilots license and medical is all that's required.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#7 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:27 pm

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#8 Post by cncpc » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:42 pm

Roar wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:54 am
There is no regulation specifically requiring a RAIC at any airport in Canada for pilots, what's needed is a document of entitlement of which a RAIC is but one method of compliance. Your pilots license is also a perfectly valid document of entitlement if certain rules are followed, see below.
Marginal note:Pilot’s licence

(2) A pilot’s licence issued under the Canadian Aviation Regulations is a document of entitlement for a restricted area that is used by general aviation, if the holder of the licence also holds a valid medical certificate of a category that is appropriate for that licence and

(a) is acting in the course of their employment; or

(b) requires access to an aircraft that they own or operate.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu ... ge-18.html

So what a RAIC was invented for was a way to give non pilots a way to access restricted areas and what's happened over time is the airport authorities have told everyone they need to have one including pilots, and it's just been easier for companies and pilots to get a RAIC than fight the system. But being a pilot going to the aircraft you operate you in no way need a RAIC your pilots license and medical is all that's required.
Excellent post.

If you genuinely are a threat to aviation, you shouldn't have a pilot's license.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#9 Post by RatherBeFlying » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:06 pm

I don't see an entry for "general aviation" in the Interpretation section of the regulation; so the judge would have to look it up in the Oxford Dictionary:
general aviation
NOUN
mass noun
Civil aviation other than large-scale passenger or freight operations.
Practically speaking, I think you'd need a RAIC to preflight an aircraft at an air bridge. Or taxi it to the GA ramp and preflight there.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#10 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:15 pm

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#11 Post by BE02 Driver » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:47 pm

YVR_pushpull12 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:15 pm

Its just a shame that with one small mistake means completely blacklisted from being able to work airside. I recently spoke to Transport and they told me I shouldn't have a problem with receiving my RAIC it is just a stressful process. Thank you, everyone, for the comments.
Captain obvious here, but remember all those times as a kid your parents, mentors, teachers and friendly local police tell you that all of your actions have consequences? Well you can chalk this up to that.

Is everyone perfect? No. But most people also choose to avoid making decisions that get them tied up with the law.

This is a perfect example of how one small poor decision (probably even made by a good person) can come back to haunt you.

Great cautionary tale for youngsters that want to be professionals one day.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#12 Post by tbayav8er » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:59 pm

My $0.02 is that you will not have a problem, if it is a minor mischief charge. I know people who, in my opinion, have had worse charges, who were able to receive a raic.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#13 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:15 pm

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Re: RAIC application refusal

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#15 Post by 7507 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:42 pm

What if a pilot with a RAIC was proven to have been involved in identity theft of a federal government employee but wasn't charged , if his employer finds out can they lose their RAIC?
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Re: RAIC application refusal

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#17 Post by C.W.E. » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:49 pm

I was convicted of drunk driving and it never affected my security clearance.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#18 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:55 pm

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#19 Post by av8ts » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:35 am

YVR_pushpull12 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:55 pm
C.W.E. wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:49 pm
I was convicted of drunk driving and it never affected my security clearance.
Thank you for adding your input, I understand you made a mistake and I am sure you appreciate being given a second chance to succeed. I hope they see that in my application as well.

Everyone is very helpful and civil on this topic. I appreciate everybody's respect for one another's post. Great group here!
Drunk driving is not a mistake. It is a choice to put your own convenience above the lives of others.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#20 Post by C.W.E. » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 am

Drunk driving is not a mistake. It is a choice to put your own convenience above the lives of others.
That is true.

It is also true that there are many alcohol addicted people that drive their cars on a regular basis, so drunk driving can also be a byproduct of addiction correct?
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#21 Post by theflyinghotdog » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:50 am

av8ts wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:35 am
YVR_pushpull12 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:55 pm
C.W.E. wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:49 pm
I was convicted of drunk driving and it never affected my security clearance.
Thank you for adding your input, I understand you made a mistake and I am sure you appreciate being given a second chance to succeed. I hope they see that in my application as well.

Everyone is very helpful and civil on this topic. I appreciate everybody's respect for one another's post. Great group here!
Drunk driving is not a mistake. It is a choice to put your own convenience above the lives of others.
I understand your opinion, but at the end of the day, it is a mistake. If the individual had no remorse and said oh well and went drunk driving again then yeah your point makes sense.

We are in Canada after all. The legal system gives people the chance to change regardless of how stupid the action was. SO yes sir it was a mistake! A stupid one but a mistake none the less.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#22 Post by Heliian » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:57 am

You can still work without a RAIC, you just have to be escorted by someone with the proper RAIC. Employers make it a requirement so they don't have to babysit you.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#23 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:11 am

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Re: RAIC application refusal

#24 Post by Apollo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:24 am

Ehhh, I don't know people about living in a Muslim country being a red flag, you're probably not getting all of the story YVR push-pull. Sometimes people are embarrassed of what they have done and don't want to talk about it (what exactly got you a minor mischief charge?).

I lived in Muslim countries for years, and while my RAIC application took longer than my peers, I have never once had a problem.
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Re: RAIC application refusal

#25 Post by YVR_pushpull12 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 am

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