Avgas

[7ECA]

Looks like the airports that had their stocks cleared for use, are now starting to run out. Pitt Meadows being one example - guess it'll be quiet for the foreseeable future.

[dpm]

I gave up trying to understand the Canadian oil situation, it essentially comes down to what the max profits can be made.

We need to rein this back in to a semi-competent government that would better diversify our resources and handle business right here in Canada. We have been in need of refineries ever since they all shut down and not only that, we needed more.

Would you want the government to order Canadian oil companies to make a product that few people buy and most of them don't want to make? There are three possible outcomes:

1. Government has to subsidise the companies heavily to cover extra costs (taxpayers get screwed).
2. Companies raise prices to cover costs (pilots get screwed).
3. Companies shut down Canadian refining operations (we all get screwed).

I'm old enough to remember the catastrophic failures of the National Energy Program and Wage and Price Controls ("6 and 5") from the older Trudeau's years.

[BGH]

Airport Operations Bulletin
Tuesday, March 06, 2018 Volume 3, Issue 10
Please be advised:
• There is currently no Avgas 100LL available on-site at YPK Airport.
• Both the Pitt Meadows Airport Society (PMAS) and the Aeroclub of BC are expecting fuel deliveries by the end of the week.
We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause. For further information please be in contact with PMAS Administration at info@flyypk.ca or with the Aeroclub of BC at fuel@aeroclubofbc.ca
AVGAS 100LL
UNAVAILABLE AT YPK
The Airport Operations Bulletin is distributed by the Pitt Meadows Regional Airport Operations Centre. Editions are prepared when important issues arise. Question/comments or contributions are welcome. Please contact Airport Administration.
Tel:(604)465-8977 ext. 6 Fax: (604)465-4512 E: info@flyypk.ca For Information Purposes Only Retain In:
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[Heliian]

I gave up trying to understand the Canadian oil situation, it essentially comes down to what the max profits can be made.

We need to rein this back in to a semi-competent government that would better diversify our resources and handle business right here in Canada. We have been in need of refineries ever since they all shut down and not only that, we needed more.

Would you want the government to order Canadian oil companies to make a product that few people buy and most of them don't want to make? There are three possible outcomes:

1. Government has to subsidise the companies heavily to cover extra costs (taxpayers get screwed).
2. Companies raise prices to cover costs (pilots get screwed).
3. Companies shut down Canadian refining operations (we all get screwed).

I'm old enough to remember the catastrophic failures of the National Energy Program and Wage and Price Controls ("6 and 5") from the older Trudeau's years.

I speak not just of avgas, I'm talking the whole cake. If we the people had control, then we wouldn't need to worry about some multi gouging us for 8 cents/l every tuesday.

Canada has so much oil that we're trying to practically give it away yet have the most expensive fuel prices in North America. Mostly due to lack of refinery.

We need to stop subsidizing these corporations and subsidize ourselves.

WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR RESOURCES.

[7ECA]

Sounds like Socialism.

What would be a really smart move, is nationalizing the whole bloody works and developing a domestic market for our own resources. Having a strong domestic supply and market, would also allow us to develop alternatives fuels, etc, from the profits which would be reinvested in our own country - instead of giving some CEO an obscene bonus, or proving companies with corporate welfare.

[CpnCrunch]

Canada has so much oil that we're trying to practically give it away yet have the most expensive fuel prices in North America. Mostly due to lack of refinery.

We need to stop subsidizing these corporations and subsidize ourselves.

WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR RESOURCES.

Part of the problem seems to be the people in BC who are protesting against the pipelines. 50-60% of Vancouver's gasoline comes from Edmonton, but the current Trans Mountain pipeline doesn't have the capacity to supply 100% of that demand, so when the Burnaby refinery closes for maintenance we have to pay higher prices for that refined product to be shipped from somewhere else. Pipelines are the cheapest and safest method of transporting oil and refined products, but some people just have this "no pipeline" mindset, without bothering to check the facts. That's a fine opinion to have if you don't use any petroleum products, but most of them seem to like driving their internal combustion SUVs and flying on planes. It's like the people protesting against seal hunts or fur coats who then eat at McDonalds.

[Oldguystrtn2fly]

Our outrageous fuel prices have zero to do with a lack of refineries and everything to do with our elected officials taxes. Period.

[dpm]

What would be a really smart move, is nationalizing the whole bloody works and developing a domestic market for our own resources. Having a strong domestic supply and market, would also allow us to develop alternatives fuels, etc, from the profits which would be reinvested in our own country - instead of giving some CEO an obscene bonus, or proving companies with corporate welfare.

Lots of countries tried that in the 60s and 70s—we dipped a toe in the water with PetroCan and the NEP, but didn't go all the way.

In theory, nationalised industries sound like a great idea (steel, coal, oil, railroads, airlines, etc, all working for the benefit of the people). In practice, they rarely turn out well, for two reasons:

1. They get packed with cronies who may know little about the industry. If you're a politician with supporters to reward, a state-owned enterprise is a bonanza of opportunities for board seats and senior management positions.

2. They become political footballs. How can politicians resist the chance to buy votes by lowering fuel prices just before an election, even if it means that the company bleeds money? And what politician will have the courage to close a plant that's no longer needed?

If you're younger, you might not have seen how this played out a few decades ago. Britain, for example, was unable to close coal mines in the early 1980s for political reasons, even though coal smoke had killed more Londoners than the Blitz, and by the early 80s, most people had shifted away from coal anyway.

[Air Ops]

Has anyone heard an update? Is there fuel flowing anywhere?

[CpnCrunch]

Has anyone heard an update? Is there fuel flowing anywhere?

Yes. Some airports tested the fuel and found it was within limits, so it can continue to be used. In terms of delivering avgas, Imperial Oil still hasn't started up production again, so the only option for now is to get a delivery from the USA.

[7ECA]

Pitt Meadows apparently has full and self service fuel available again. They must have gotten fuel from a US supplier.

The fuel at YPK had been cleared for use, but after a week or so of not being able to use it, everyone jumped on the opportunity and drained the tanks quickly...

[BGH]

Got this from them late today.

Airport Operations Bulletin
Tuesday, March 13, 2018 Volume 3, Issue 13
AVGAS 100LL
Please be advised:
• Avgas 100LL is available again at YPK Airport via the PMAS Mobile Fuel Bowsers and the Aeroclub of BC.
For information on current pricing please be in contact with PMAS Administration at info@flyypk.ca or with the Aeroclub of BC at fuel@aeroclubofbc.ca
The Airport Operations Bulletin is distributed by the Pitt Meadows Regional Airport Operations Centre. Editions are prepared when important issues arise. Question/comments or contributions are welcome. Please contact Airport Administration.
Tel:(604)465-8977 ext. 6 Fax: (604)465-4512 E: info@flyypk.ca For Information Purposes Only Retain In:
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[lhalliday]

Langley got a shipment last weekend. A significant price jump, but cheaper than Boundary Bay.

...laura

[AirFrame]

Everyone getting gas from the US has jacked the price up over $2.00/L... YPK is the same... $2.14/L ($2.06 for members).

Squamish jacked theirs up "proactively" to $2.00/L, to "spread out" the increase as they expected higher prices on their next load too.

[lhalliday]

A few people have run down to Bellingham for avgas, but $US5.00 a gallon (typical for western Washington) is still about $CDN1.70 a litre.

...laura

[linecrew]

'Once that's gone, we're almost grounded': Saskatoon aviation businesses scrambling as airport fuel tanks run dry

http://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-ne ... ks-run-dry

[7ECA]

Pitt has had fuel again for a while now, but prices are over $2 a litre - up from $1.60-1.80.

[Tips Up]

Pretty much grounded around YXE now. No fuel to buy here or nearby. Getting annual done early I guess while it sits.

[goingnowherefast]

Now is the time for diesel aircraft engine manufacturers to really push their product in Canada. I wonder how many piston otter operators are thinking now is the time to get a PT6.