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#1 Post by cdntous » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:25 am

This may be of interest to some of you. See below attached email from pilot recruiter Katrina Leavitt of Air Wisconsin Airlines.
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RE: Sponsoring of Canadian Pilots

Thank you for your email. We are currently accepting some visas and could possibly offer the required assistant to sponsor your visa. If you need a H1B visa, this is done in April each year. Although our candidates for 2018 have already been selected, to be considered for 2019, please apply between October and December 2018. Please keep note the following:

1. You must successfully complete an interview for consideration as an First Officer with Air Wisconsin Airlines
2. At time of hire you must possess all FAA certifications and rating required by the FAA to operate as a commercial pilot
3. Prior to your start, you must obtain all legal work authorization documents qualifying your eligibility for work sponsorship
4. If you have not completed your ATP knowledge exam, you start training in our in-house CTP course that will provide you with the additional requirements (per FAA) to complete the ATP Knowledge exam
5. Your training can begin with as little as 1454 total flight time with all subcategory of time completed to the standard (Please visit our Pilot Calculator at www.airwis.com to see how much time you would need to gain)

A requirement of the position is the ability to travel in and out of the United States as we do fly to Canada. For a full list of requirements please see below. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks!

Katrina Leavitt
Recruiting Coordinator | Air Wisconsin Airlines
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#2 Post by cdntous » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:31 pm

Interesting times ahead for Canadian aviation, that's for sure!
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#3 Post by Cessna 180 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:39 pm

They're the only ones I know of. I've emailed a lot of them. I'll be applying later this year.
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#4 Post by cdntous » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:52 pm

[...] In the past, Mesa Airlines obtained most pilots through training programs run in partnership with educational institutions, or from online applications. “Now we’re spending millions of dollars, a ridiculous waste of resources,” on actively recruiting pilots. “We have 10 people just recruiting people,” said Ornstein. However, Mesa has developed a canny strategy. Where U.S.-trained pilots with 350 flying hours’ experience flock from the U.S. to find employment as first officers with the airlines of other countries that require only limited flying experience, Mesa has established pilot-recruiting offices in other countries. The offices recruit first officers from South America and Australia whose citizens can fulfill official requirements for U.S. working visas relatively easily—and the Middle East, where pilots may qualify for refugee status in the U.S. Recently Mesa has had success in recruiting pilots from all three areas, and pilots from other countries now represent a double-digit percentage of its total pilot complement.
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#5 Post by SuperchargedRS » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:40 pm

Canadians, taking the flying jobs Americans won't stoop low enough to take. :roll:
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#6 Post by cdntous » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:52 pm

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:40 pm
Canadians, taking the flying jobs Americans won't stoop low enough to take. :roll:
1st-year pay at AWI is USD 76,000 or CAD 95,000. So you can make more than a fourth year AC FO as a first year AWI FO.
You'll also pay less taxes and live in a country with a lower cost of living.
If anyone is stooping low it's Canadian airline executives and the pilots who accept the worst pay in the G8 for our profession.
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#7 Post by SuperchargedRS » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:24 pm

cdntous wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:52 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:40 pm
Canadians, taking the flying jobs Americans won't stoop low enough to take. :roll:
1st-year pay at AWI is USD 76,000 or CAD 95,000. So you can make more than a fourth year AC FO as a first year AWI FO.
You'll also pay less taxes and live in a country with a lower cost of living.
If anyone is stooping low it's Canadian airline executives and the pilots who accept the worst pay in the G8 for our profession.

Per the CBA it's waaay less, you're counting non protected bonuses that come and go at the whims of management.

Also keep in mind there are more qualified pilots in the US than Canada, there IS A REASON they are trying to hire Canadians, because American pilots don't seem to think it's as great of a deal
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#8 Post by cdntous » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:32 pm

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:24 pm

Per the CBA it's waaay less, you're counting non protected bonuses that come and go at the whims of management.

Also keep in mind there are more qualified pilots in the US than Canada, there IS A REASON they are trying to hire Canadians, because American pilots don't seem to think it's as great of a deal
Even a piece of trash ULCC like Spirit Airlines pays their 12-year captains more than AC does for NB flying.
The worst deal in the U.S. is still better than the best deal in Canada. What does it matter what the Americans think?
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#9 Post by skypirate88 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:35 pm

Was on a Mesa flight last week. Captain was making triple time. He made 20k in January with 14 days work. Not to bad to fly an RJ around
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#10 Post by groundpilot » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm

Not trying to turn this into the 20th degree vs non degree bun fight on AvCanada but from the Air Wisconsin web site:

Graduation from accredited four year college preferred
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#11 Post by SuperchargedRS » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:56 pm

cdntous wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:32 pm

Even a piece of trash ULCC like Spirit Airlines pays their 12-year captains more than AC does for NB flying.
The worst deal in the U.S. is still better than the best deal in Canada. What does it matter what the Americans think?
Well with it being THEIR COUNTRY and all, their opinion is probably somewhat important.

Also by taking low flying paying jobs that Americans don't want, it undermines the lesson these crap carriers are finally starting to learn.

Maybe if Canadian pilots refused to be treated like crap like their American counterparts and made Canadian airlines feel it, like they do in America, there wouldn't be the issues there are in Canada.


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Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm
Not trying to turn this into the 20th degree vs non degree bun fight on AvCanada but from the Air Wisconsin web site:

Graduation from accredited four year college preferred

Yeah, they really don't care about degrees, especially right now.
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#12 Post by cdntous » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:13 am

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:56 pm
Maybe if Canadian pilots refused to be treated like crap like their American counterparts and made Canadian airlines feel it, like they do in America, there wouldn't be the issues there are in Canada.
You're talking about a pilot population which once believed that chucking bags for 2 years in Norman Wells was the honourable way to make it into the right seat of a Navajo to make close to minimum wage. A practice that does not occur in any other first world country, perhaps not even third world.

I'll take my chances in the U.S.
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#13 Post by complexintentions » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:49 am

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:56 pm
Maybe if Canadian pilots refused to be treated like crap like their American counterparts and made Canadian airlines feel it, like they do in America, there wouldn't be the issues there are in Canada.
Errr...no. It wasn't that long ago that American pilots were absolutely getting treated like crap and having to take it. Regional pilots on food stamps, anyone? It's only a convergence of factors favouring pilots at the moment that is producing the much improved conditions. Not pilots "refusing to be treated like crap".

Seems to me that taking a much better-paying US job is one way for Canadians to show they aren't going to be "treated like crap" by Canadian operators...?
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:32 pm
Even a piece of trash ULCC like Spirit Airlines pays their 12-year captains more than AC does for NB flying.
The worst deal in the U.S. is still better than the best deal in Canada. What does it matter what the Americans think?
Exactly. Or Canadian pilots, or anyone for that matter. Who makes employment decisions based on what other people might think? Sheesh.

Standing by for the usual whimpering about how it's so horrible living in the US though, Trump/guns/crime/murder/danger/poverty/health care oooh.. :mrgreen:

But the fact they are even floating the possibility of visas is very interesting indeed.
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#14 Post by cdntous » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:57 am

complexintentions wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:49 am
Errr...no. It wasn't that long ago that American pilots were absolutely getting treated like crap and having to take it. Regional pilots on food stamps, anyone? It's only a convergence of factors favouring pilots at the moment that is producing the much improved conditions. Not pilots "refusing to be treated like crap".
Even at the worst of times in the US, regionals were still hiring albeit at ~ 22,000/year Canadian.
What happened during the worst of times in Canada? 3-5 year ramp waits, people paying for Navajo PPCs, offering to work for free, 5000 hours to fly a DHC-8 if you're lucky, and long, long mostly unsuccessful road trips.
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#15 Post by Panama Jack » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:25 am

Last year while at Air Venture I went around to the different regional airline stands with my resumé, just to see what the reaction would be. I would have walked away with numerous job offers had my immigration status in the US been different. Air Wisconsin in particular mentioned that they have done a few sponsorships, and would be willing to entertain the idea "for the right candidate". However, as in Canada, some people including a few management pilots I met at the career fair are seemingly hostile to the idea of hiring "foreigners" as they see this as lowering the bar and adversely affecting their bargaining position. "Security concerns" is one polite explanation that was cited.

Immigration requirements is one type of barrier that provides economics from taking its course. In the case of Canada, I believe it is more of a detriment than benefits to pilots, especially if we were to entertain the concept of reciprocal agreements. Canadian pilots have gone overseas and this has benefited them in numerous ways. I believe that open immigration with the US would benefit Canadian pilots (both those who leave and remain) while creating little, if any, adverse affect for US pilots. However, I believe it would cause dread in the Canadian aviation industry, which has benefited and been sustained for decades on highly-qualified, low-cost labor.
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#16 Post by StudentPilot » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:35 am

It's about time. Several US regionals have been employing Australians on visas for 2+ years already from what I have read.
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#17 Post by fish4life » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:42 am

Even if the US hired every pilot in Canada it probably still wouldn’t fill every seat they need over the next 5-10 years
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#18 Post by shamrock104 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:48 am

If it happens it could be great for Pilots. A 2 year visa, some great experience, on return to Canada compnies will need to pay more for that talent and perhaps Pilots will no longer have to load suitcases for a couple of years.
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#19 Post by dhc# » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:08 am

If things ever opened up in the US for CDN pilots so many would head south, it could cripple the supply of pilots in Canada....its not beyond the realm of possibility that Canadian carriers are already lobbying both gov'ts behind the scenes to prevent this from ever happening. :twisted:
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#20 Post by eyebrow737 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:59 am

dhc# wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:08 am
If things ever opened up in the US for CDN pilots so many would head south, it could cripple the supply of pilots in Canada....its not beyond the realm of possibility that Canadian carriers are already lobbying both gov'ts behind the scenes to prevent this from ever happening. :twisted:
Sounds like anti-competitive behavior bordering on....

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#21 Post by digits_ » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:28 am

Leave it up to AvCanada to find a way to complain about a great thing!
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#22 Post by FOD_Vacuum » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:30 pm

As soon as this options becomes a viable and fluid option for Canadian pilots, Jazz Encore and the like can kiss their future candidates goodbye. Id sign up in a heart beat! This is what Canada should be offering! Acceptable pay and bonuses, and flow through to AC.
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#23 Post by groundpilot » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 pm

groundpilot wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm
Not trying to turn this into the 20th degree vs non degree bun fight on AvCanada but from the Air Wisconsin web site:

Graduation from accredited four year college preferred

Yeah, they really don't care about degrees, especially right now.
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They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
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#24 Post by cdntous » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:55 pm

groundpilot wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 pm
They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
You need a four-year Bachelor's degree to get hired at any of the US majors anyways. Going there without one would be a dead end.
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#25 Post by SuperchargedRS » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 pm

cdntous wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:55 pm
groundpilot wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 pm
They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
You need a four-year Bachelor's degree to get hired at any of the US majors anyways. Going there without one would be a dead end.

Not all of them, and that's going to be starting to change.

Also why on earth would a US major, which pays properly, need to hire cheap foreign labor?



I'll be starting up a new business, might need some "dock hands" mins are some type of pilots license and the pay, enough for food and maybe if you "prove your worth" I'll let you go for a ride in my plane and log a few the tenths a month.

Requirements, landscaping experience, desperation, understanding of the Spanish language, work long hours, don't complain, can dig ditches, and don't mind riding in a regular cab pickup with 7 other grown sweaty men. Heck I bet you could get Canadian landscapers, I mean "docks hands", to work for less than the Mexicans, I mean minim wage and the carrot on the stick of maybe flying a plane. Man I think I'm on to something here, I'd also require a 4 year or better "degree" in aviation to prove that you're a sucker and don't value your time, oops I mean to prove you have "follow through" :lol:


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Leave it up to AvCanada to find a way to complain about a great thing!

That's the thing, it's not a good thing, it's sad and shows a lack of self respect for Canadians, as well as its futile in the long term, chess vs checkers.

If Canadians cared about their own country, they would un-tuck their manhood and take a stand, speak loud and be proud of their profession, walk the F' out for a few days, then go to the media and explain the conditions and pay, somehow I think the masses would be a little disturbed to know how little pay, rest, etc the pilots they are trusting their lives, and the lives of their children, get.

Going to the states and being cheap labour, long run its going to drive wages down over there too, averages and all, much like the people of some of the higher tax lower freedom states / provinces who move to another place, and end up slowly turning it into the same crap hole they left.

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