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Re: Some U.S. regional airlines are now sponsoring Canadians for the H1B Vis

#76 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:06 pm

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Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:56 pm
SuperchargedRS,

Your assumption that the increased pilot salaries seen in the U.S. regional sector is entirely a function of them 'growing some balls,' couldn't be farther from the truth.

This study does a great job of outlining the key factors of the pilot shortage: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... GSD351.pdf

It mostly comes down to supply and demand. As others have mentioned, the U.S. airline market is significantly larger than that of Canada. If they were to open their borders, the number of pilots that would be willing to make the move from Canada wouldn't even make a dent in their future pilot supply requirements. At the same time, it would drastically reduce the supply in the smaller Canadian market, forcing companies to increase their salaries to compete.

At the end of the day, there are a number of factors that come into play when discussing the disparity in salaries. The best thing I think Canadian pilots can do is to petition for the implementation of an ATPL requirement for all 705 F/Os. This would prevent the slow degradation of experience seen in the cockpit today, while also reducing the pilot supply chain, thus giving pilots more leverage when it comes to wage and condition negotiations.

Uh, no.

There are more qualified pilots in the US than any other country, including Canada, by a large margin, it's not that we don't have the people for the jobs, or that we couldn't turn out new pilots in mass if there was a interest, heck we are probably the pilot training capital of the world, it's a matter of the pay not matching the required ATP experience.
Show em' the money and you'll have zero problems filling the seats.

This is really easy to see with not just the lack of filling seats for classes at the regionals, but retention after you get someone hired on.
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#77 Post by Blueshift » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:40 pm

Well, the 150 page study I linked to points to other factors behind the pilot shortage. It's author has a Ph.D. in policy analysis, and specializes in the study of aviation policy. Guess who I'm going to believe?

This discussion goes full-circle back to the whole degree v. no degree thread. The bottom line is that this author's background brings a whole lot more creditability to the table than you.
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#78 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:59 pm

Lol well who knows better the PHD or people in the industry

Got a few PHD friends, also with near zero aviation experience, maybe I'll have one of them churn out a 151 page pdf blaming it on Martians, would you believe that?
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#79 Post by Blueshift » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:15 pm

I'm going to go with the person who actually sat down and analyzed all the data, aka the Ph.D. By the way, he used to be an F16 pilot, so the claim he wasn't ever in the industry is invalid.

Do any of your Ph.D. friends specialize in economics or aviation policy? If not, wouldn't that be sort of like asking one of my electrician buddies to do your job?
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#80 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm

Lol, how silly, this is like all those experts and polls who said Hillary basically already won the election and trump had no chance.

I really don't care about the PHD and his word processor or how many pages he can pump out.

As someone who's boots on the ground and in the industry (not the military who last I checked isn't responsible for flying 121) the case is very simple, it's a lack of pay, and the retention issues clearly show that, as do the airlines reactions and added bonus.
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#81 Post by BE02 Driver » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:33 pm

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm
Lol, how silly, this is like all those experts and polls who said Hillary basically already won the election and trump had no chance.

I really don't care about the PHD and his word processor or how many pages he can pump out.

As someone who's boots on the ground and in the industry (not the military who last I checked isn't responsible for flying 121) the case is very simple, it's a lack of pay, and the retention issues clearly show that, as do the airlines reactions and added bonus.
How do you still have a job? How has no one knocked your teeth out while sharing a cockpit with you for 10 hours?

You profess ad naseum your qualifications, expertise, education, and intellectual superiority. Why don't you shed the anonymity and post your Curriculum Vitae right here for us all to see. Then we can decide who the expert is?

I'm going to guess that after telling us everything about yourself anonymously, you're actually going to tell us nothing.
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#82 Post by Blueshift » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:35 pm

SuperchargedRS

Just stay ignorant bud, but there's a big difference between predictive analyses of elections and actual fact based analyses. Either way, if you actually took the time to read the study, it does state that a lack of pay is a key factor in the pilot shortage. However, no where does it state that the current increase in salaries is a function of pilots simply saying "no." It's a much more complicated problem than that.
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#83 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:17 pm

BE02 Driver wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:33 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm
Lol, how silly, this is like all those experts and polls who said Hillary basically already won the election and trump had no chance.

I really don't care about the PHD and his word processor or how many pages he can pump out.

As someone who's boots on the ground and in the industry (not the military who last I checked isn't responsible for flying 121) the case is very simple, it's a lack of pay, and the retention issues clearly show that, as do the airlines reactions and added bonus.
How do you still have a job? How has no one knocked your teeth out while sharing a cockpit with you for 10 hours?

You profess ad naseum your qualifications, expertise, education, and intellectual superiority. Why don't you shed the anonymity and post your Curriculum Vitae right here for us all to see. Then we can decide who the expert is?

I'm going to guess that after telling us everything about yourself anonymously, you're actually going to tell us nothing.
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Who's going to do that, the meek who don't even stand up for themselves with management lol

But legit I am actually a pretty nice guy, I just get annoyed with people who whore out the profession.

And no way on earth am I going to post my personal info on the interwebz, come on now. As for who the expert is, who knows and who cares, I listen to those with the best quality of life.
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#84 Post by atphat » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:34 pm

That meme. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#85 Post by geodoc » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:46 pm

Should this thread be moved to 4chan?






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#86 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:21 pm

geodoc wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:46 pm
Should this thread be moved to 4chan?

Don't be so sensitive
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#87 Post by Anon1234 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:33 pm

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#88 Post by Anon1234 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:34 pm

It's official, Supercharge mentioned Hilary! He's a Russian troll.
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#89 Post by SuperchargedRS » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:16 am

I'll have you know I sexually identify as a Russian bot ;)
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