Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
This poll is a bit goofy, what with its negative connotations towards the first two options, to say nothing of the fact that there's no real information given regarding the imaginary job in question (are we talking strictly airline, ILS to ILS flying, or something more challenging?) I suspect you're not getting results beyond people identifying with what most closely mirrors their own experience.
You're out of your mind if you consider a higher education to be a negative, even if it's not directly relevant to the task at hand. Likewise, you'd have to be a fool to think the same of real life experience. Attitude and maturity, in my opinion, are most important. In particular the willingness of an individual to take an honest inventory of their strengths and weakness, and recognize the areas where they may need to work at to improve their abilities required for the task at hand. Options 1 and 2 both bring different assets to the table. If they are both humble enough to recognize they still have different skills yet to develop, there is no reason either one could not be an effective crew member.
It's really not that different than just being a decent human being. There's very little that's more off-putting than a person who is completely devoid of an honest sense of self awareness.
You're out of your mind if you consider a higher education to be a negative, even if it's not directly relevant to the task at hand. Likewise, you'd have to be a fool to think the same of real life experience. Attitude and maturity, in my opinion, are most important. In particular the willingness of an individual to take an honest inventory of their strengths and weakness, and recognize the areas where they may need to work at to improve their abilities required for the task at hand. Options 1 and 2 both bring different assets to the table. If they are both humble enough to recognize they still have different skills yet to develop, there is no reason either one could not be an effective crew member.
It's really not that different than just being a decent human being. There's very little that's more off-putting than a person who is completely devoid of an honest sense of self awareness.
Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
No no, you're just not getting it. Having a degree is bad. Always. Every degree. Baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Pilots with a degree are useless.shimmydampner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:21 am This poll is a bit goofy, what with its negative connotations towards the first two options, to say nothing of the fact that there's no real information given regarding the imaginary job in question (are we talking strictly airline, ILS to ILS flying, or something more challenging?) I suspect you're not getting results beyond people identifying with what most closely mirrors their own experience.
You're out of your mind if you consider a higher education to be a negative, even if it's not directly relevant to the task at hand. Likewise, you'd have to be a fool to think the same of real life experience. Attitude and maturity, in my opinion, are most important. In particular the willingness of an individual to take an honest inventory of their strengths and weakness, and recognize the areas where they may need to work at to improve their abilities required for the task at hand. Options 1 and 2 both bring different assets to the table. If they are both humble enough to recognize they still have different skills yet to develop, there is no reason either one could not be an effective crew member.
It's really not that different than just being a decent human being. There's very little that's more off-putting than a person who is completely devoid of an honest sense of self awareness.
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
Said every sub-2000 hr guy, ever!
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As if every company functions the same... We're all speaking from our own experience, or at least think we are, I imagine. Who says flight experience and a degree are the only deciding factors? What about work experience outside of aviation? I'm a 2k hour flight instructor who worked 5 years in the oilfield to fund my training. I like to think it's worth something... but it all depends on where I apply next and what they care about. Air Tindi, probably... but Encore, probably not.
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If I was hiring that would be worth something to me ---good for you. I love stories of such perseverance.youhavecontrol wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:51 pm What about work experience outside of aviation? I'm a 2k hour flight instructor who worked 5 years in the oilfield to fund my training. I like to think it's worth something...
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
As somebody who has held the CP position for a considerable time over the years, my comment is, the poll is written by a troll, designed to elicit an emotional reaction from those that have had a negative experience thru the hiring process in aviation over the years, with an emphasis on stereotypes that are promoted here on this site.
The correct answer for the poll has been conspicuously left out, and that is 'none of the above'.
It's really easy to paint with a wide stereotype brush, but, out in the real world, things aren't so simple as they appear here in the pretend world of Avacanada bitch sessions. Every company is different, and has different ideas of what makes an ideal candidate. For those trolling, I challenge you, step up to the plate, wear the CP hat and do a better job than those already there. If you aren't going to step up to the plate and do the job, then STFU and leave it to those who will.
The correct answer for the poll has been conspicuously left out, and that is 'none of the above'.
It's really easy to paint with a wide stereotype brush, but, out in the real world, things aren't so simple as they appear here in the pretend world of Avacanada bitch sessions. Every company is different, and has different ideas of what makes an ideal candidate. For those trolling, I challenge you, step up to the plate, wear the CP hat and do a better job than those already there. If you aren't going to step up to the plate and do the job, then STFU and leave it to those who will.
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
I'm curious now, how many full time pilots have you hired over the years ? How many part time pilots ?
The opinion doesn't amount to much for this discussion if you dont actually have influence on the hiring process for pilots, it's just wishful thinking from a wannabe.
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
Not there because a) he's at WestJet already, or b) she's at Air Canada alreadyPositiveRate27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:43 pm Where is the option of “Highschool graduate who is a seasoned veteran, has command time, is well liked by his peers, has a pleasant disposition and is up to date on the latest and greatest tech in the industry.”
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Re: Experience Vs. Degree: (2)
a) no-one is a "grizzled, grouchy veteran" of anything after only 2000 hours
b) there are plenty of "grizzled, grouchy veterans" WITH degrees.
c) There are plenty of snot-nosed little 500-hour pricks without degrees.
Why would I choose ANY of your choices?
b) there are plenty of "grizzled, grouchy veterans" WITH degrees.
c) There are plenty of snot-nosed little 500-hour pricks without degrees.
Why would I choose ANY of your choices?
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Some of the descriptions made it an (obviously I thought) somewhat a tongue in cheek poll.Meatservo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:20 am a) no-one is a "grizzled, grouchy veteran" of anything after only 2000 hours
b) there are plenty of "grizzled, grouchy veterans" WITH degrees.
c) There are plenty of snot-nosed little 500-hour pricks without degrees.
Why would I choose ANY of your choices?
Obviously not to all, and there are a million different profiles out there.
Welcome to design your own poll.......mods can replace this one.