Where to begin
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Re: Where to begin
The post I was responding to was post #28 from TheRealMcCoy saying military members get out with their ATPL with less than 1000 hours. Look it up.
Plus just what did you think I was referring to when I said "not even a minute"? Does that not sound like flying time, ie "experience"?
Look I know you hate me and can't wait for any excuse to argue, but you're just making yourself look silly with this.
Plus just what did you think I was referring to when I said "not even a minute"? Does that not sound like flying time, ie "experience"?
Look I know you hate me and can't wait for any excuse to argue, but you're just making yourself look silly with this.
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Darn, looks like he's deleted his posts. I was looking for some entertainment
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Dude,Rockie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:41 am The post I was responding to was post #28 from TheRealMcCoy saying military members get out with their ATPL with less than 1000 hours. Look it up.
Plus just what did you think I was referring to when I said "not even a minute"? Does that not sound like flying time, ie "experience"?
Look I know you hate me and can't wait for any excuse to argue, but you're just making yourself look silly with this.
Again, I responded to what you wrote. In future, if you express yourself more clearly you can avoid misunderstandings like this.
For the record, I don't hate you. On the contrary, whenever I think of you I smile. Your dogged determination to always have the last word is entertaining and provides a welcome distraction from an otherwise dreary day. Don't ever change.
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The above is incorrect - PICUS works exactly as I've described it in my previous post. It's simply a faster way for FO to obtain an ATPL - it's not the same as PIC and is not logged as PIC.
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business
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Dont know the specifics of transport canada, but it all depends on the authority. FAA PICUS is different from EASA which is different from CASA etc.
For instance on an FAA type rating in some cases you can't become PIC without 25 hours PICUs sitting in the left seat with a training captain on the right. This IS logged as PIC.
Flying in Australia, upgrade line training was logged as PICUS.
With EASA it can depend on the operating approvals given to the AOC
So, as usual in Aviation no absolutes. Every authority applies it in a different way.
Can you point me to the regs supporting your argument?
For instance on an FAA type rating in some cases you can't become PIC without 25 hours PICUs sitting in the left seat with a training captain on the right. This IS logged as PIC.
Flying in Australia, upgrade line training was logged as PICUS.
With EASA it can depend on the operating approvals given to the AOC
So, as usual in Aviation no absolutes. Every authority applies it in a different way.
Can you point me to the regs supporting your argument?
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Since you mentioned Australia - this was one of the first search results.
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/124601/dow ... n=QFz8KlzA
It talks about logging hours for an ATPL. It allows for PICUS which can obviously only be logged from the right seat if the person doesn't have an ATPL.
I agree that differences exist globally. Unfortunately the OP hasn't seen fit to clarify his initial comments.
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/124601/dow ... n=QFz8KlzA
It talks about logging hours for an ATPL. It allows for PICUS which can obviously only be logged from the right seat if the person doesn't have an ATPL.
I agree that differences exist globally. Unfortunately the OP hasn't seen fit to clarify his initial comments.
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business
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Hahahaha! Best comment on AVCANADA!
Das ist mir wurst...
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Eric Janson wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:31 am Since you mentioned Australia - this was one of the first search results.
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/124601/dow ... n=QFz8KlzA
It talks about logging hours for an ATPL. It allows for PICUS which can obviously only be logged from the right seat if the person doesn't have an ATPL.
I agree that differences exist globally. Unfortunately the OP hasn't seen fit to clarify his initial comments.
In Australia the term was ICUS. Do a search on that and you will still find confusion on how it is applied. About 15 years ago I was logging ICUS from the left seat during a command upgrade. My casa logbook had an ICUS column. Technically I wasn't PIC of the aircraft because there was a training captain in the right seat but I wasn't SIC. By the FOM I needed so many ICUS hours before being released.Eric Janson wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:31 am Since you mentioned Australia - this was one of the first search results.
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/124601/dow ... n=QFz8KlzA
It talks about logging hours for an ATPL. It allows for PICUS which can obviously only be logged from the right seat if the person doesn't have an ATPL.
I agree that differences exist globally. Unfortunately the OP hasn't seen fit to clarify his initial comments.
In the US both pilots can log PIC time on this instance as there is no formal definition of PICUS as long as it is a training flight and both are licensed and rated in the aircraft and one being the instructor . Closest terms are SOE (supervised operating experience) or
PDPIC ( Performing the Duties of Pilot In Command)
It's a confusing aviation world.
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Yes it is!
Getting more complicated every day - more acronyms to try and remember!
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business
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So after 1050 hours as an SO at Cathay he gets upgraded to FO and flys as PICUS. I don't know for sure but that could be possible.
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Theres some foresight !!!Eric Janson wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:59 am
That's how the regulations work - even EASA allows for this. I have been asked to sign my FOs logbook as recently as last week.
True story:- In India the requirements to be Captain were simply 'ATPL'. As soon as guys got their ATPL they became Captain on things like A320.
The safety record in Asia speaks for itself - go to Avherald and type in 'Lionair'. This Airline has the dubious record of 2 overruns at the same airport within 24 hours. They're also the guys who put the 737 on a reef in Bali. Quite a shocking read. Any western Airline would have lost their AOC long ago. It's amazing they haven't killed anyone yet - certainly not for lack of trying!
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"Well son, you don't need any flying experience for the military , but good thing you got that university degree, we wouldn't touch you without it"TT1900 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:11 pmOur Airforce. Its a 310 instead of a 330; close enough. And most don’t even have 200hrs when they start. Upgraded to AC by 1200hrs, absolutely.Rockie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:02 amWhere in the world do they put 200 hour pilots in the right seat of a 330, then into the left seat at 1250 under supervision or not? Tell me now so I can avoid the place.Eric Janson wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:52 am I guess by PIC the poster means PIC under supervision.
Not the same as actual PIC - just a way to get the ATPL faster.