New low in pilot shortage?

[digits_]

In one week, there is an ad for a King Air FO with an advertised minimum required flight time of 250 hours and a navajo captain ad with no advertised minimum required flight time.

Have we reached the bottom? It certainly looks that way. Next the salaries will have to go up, right? .....

[co-joe]

I notice that I can't block the Air Georgian add on this page for some reason. For this to be the bottom of the barrel, the bottom feeders like Air Georgian would have to raise wages, but nope. On the flip side, they're paying good money for AMEs, we can probably thank TC for that more than any free market economic factors.

[C.W.E.]

On the flip side, they're paying good money for AMEs, we can probably thank TC for that more than any free market economic factors.

Could that could be because AME's are harder to find?

[trey kule]

...or.....they have a better sense of self worth?

Wages are not going to increase for pilots until the 250 hour wonders who have spent $80k getting their licenses stop agreeing to work for slave wages...ramp pre flight positions ...
or as a pilots in waiting....to prove themselves.
and stop believing there are 50 more lined up behind them if they dont jump at the job.

[Eric Janson]

My wages haven't gone up despite my Airline being short of Pilots.

Don't expect that to change.

[share-once]

My wages haven't gone up despite my Airline being short of Pilots.

Don't expect that to change.

I think you are flying in an area where the income is relatively high already I think? I retired from Europe 5 yrs ago, 11 years early
Mainline usually is stable for income. Otherwise wages would go down too when it is the other way around?

[Eric Janson]

I think you are flying in an area where the income is relatively high already I think? I retired from Europe 5 yrs ago, 11 years early
Mainline usually is stable for income. Otherwise wages would go down too when it is the other way around?

I don't fly for a Major carrier - not even close to that level of conditions.

If there is ever a glut of airbus Pilots they won't hesitate to lower my wages.

It's accept it or 30 days notice.

[Inverted2]

Some of the bottom feeder regionals are skirting the pilot shortage by bringing in TFWs from overseas on temporary work permits.

[trey kule]

Whoa there inverted.

Areyou some kind of neo fascist that is against diversity in the pilot pool?
That kind of thinking will cause our Prime Minister to break into tears.
There is no place in our industry for that type of thinking.

Canadians want and expect divesity. It is our strength. All those poor pilots simply looking for the opportunity to come to Canada and become part of our cultural fabric.

How can you deny them their dreams.

[mixturerich]

Feel free to enlighten me but it is my understanding that companies might introduce signing bonuses before raising salaries. That way when the shortage “ends” they can just remove the bonuses and stay on old salaries. Isn’t this what Horizon is doing?

[Inverted2]

Whoa there inverted.

Areyou some kind of neo fascist that is against diversity in the pilot pool?
That kind of thinking will cause our Prime Minister to break into tears.
There is no place in our industry for that type of thinking.

Canadians want and expect divesity. It is our strength. All those poor pilots simply looking for the opportunity to come to Canada and become part of our cultural fabric.

How can you deny them their dreams.

I probably shouldn't attend any Turdo pep rallies anytime soon. His RCMP goons might rough me up like that old lady the other day.

[B208]

Whoa there inverted.

Areyou some kind of neo fascist that is against diversity in the pilot pool?
That kind of thinking will cause our Prime Minister to break into tears.
There is no place in our industry for that type of thinking.

Canadians want and expect divesity. It is our strength. All those poor pilots simply looking for the opportunity to come to Canada and become part of our cultural fabric.

How can you deny them their dreams.

Well played....

[goldeneagle]

Some of the bottom feeder regionals are skirting the pilot shortage by bringing in TFWs from overseas on temporary work permits.

Care to give us any names on who is actually doing that ? Or is it just cheap talk with no substance.....

[goingnowherefast]

They "exploits" pilots

[Meatservo]

I'm as disturbed by the lowering standards as anyone, but since when is 250 hours for a King Air F.O. a big deal?

Exactly how many hours and on how much more basic and small an aeroplane would be a good stepping-stone to a King Air?

[goingnowherefast]

Usually people would have a couple hundred hours on floats or instructing before flying a high performance, pressurized twin turboprop.

[BE02 Driver]

Some of the bottom feeder regionals are skirting the pilot shortage by bringing in TFWs from overseas on temporary work permits.

Care to give us any names on who is actually doing that ? Or is it just cheap talk with no substance.....

I know for absolute certain that EVAS is doing it.

[BE02 Driver]

They "exploits" pilots

LOL, You beat me too it! At least they don't false advertise!!!

It drives me nuts that in a place that has such high unemployment as NL that the government allows TFW in. There are career retraining programs in place to retrain local workers. Yet the scum bag operators prefer to take a TFW because they can "exploit" them, charge ridiculous bonds, give substandard wages by Canadian standards and have them by the short and curlies because their right to work in this country is attached to that employer. Exploitation at its finest.

[av8ts]

I know of one TFW 1800 hour Captain there

[digits_]

I'm as disturbed by the lowering standards as anyone, but since when is 250 hours for a King Air F.O. a big deal?

Exactly how many hours and on how much more basic and small an aeroplane would be a good stepping-stone to a King Air?

That's irrelevant. Even if people with 250 hours have been hired as king air fo before, I've never seen it advertised as the actual minimum requirements in the last 5 years. Same for the navajo pilot job. The requirements for the job have hit the bottom, they can't go any lower. That has the potential to create some very interesting situations.