Air Canada and Westjet...what a joke

[AuxBatOn]

Try again.

"So researchers paired several regular pot smokers and nonsmokers and put them in a sealed compartment together for an hour, while one smoked a joint containing a relatively strong strain of marijuana.

The 12 nonsmoking participants were then tasked with peeing into a cup 13 times over the next 34 hours. Their urine was tested for 9-carboxy-THC, the marijuana metabolite commonly measured in standard drug tests.

The results, published this month in the Journal of Analytical Toxicology, gives nonsmokers with weed-using friends reason to breathe easy. The scientists found urine levels of this metabolite surpassed typically detectable levels (50 nanogram per milliliter) in only one experiment participant, and this happened during a brief window four to six hours after exposure.

Using a more sensitive test, however, which is not usually employed in the workplace, scientists could detect blood THC levels above the 20 nanogram per milliliter in several participants in the hours after exposure. But these concentrations dipped below this threshold for all participants within 24 hours, according to the study, conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and elsewhere."

https://www.newsweek.com/could-second-h ... est-278913

[Victory]

Great, so only 1 person would have their life destroyed with the least sensitive test and "several" would have it destroyed with the more sensitive one. I wonder if that one that may or may not be used by foreign nations random testing flight crews. Good to hear it's employed non-typically in the work place.

[Puffpuffpass]

Well I was going to have a nice spliff with my wife and watch a funny movie before bed and be fresh up for duty. Guess i'll legally slam 18 beers 12 hrs before my duty instead. Hopefully I don't smell like PBRs during my crew briefing.

If you do that you’re not legal either!
For “binge” drinking, you must allow 24 hours prior to reporting for duty, at a absolute minimum, the average person metabolizes 1 ounce or 1 drink per hour. Therefore your example would require 18 hours.
I honestly don’t get how a professional pilot could argue for using marijuana, I’ve never met a successful pothead, maaannn!

Maaaannnn! I am a successful pot head, Maaaan! You think people who smoke pot go around broadcasting it to ignorant know it alls like yourself??? You are delusional!!!
Whats worse Maaaan, me smoking a joint and havin 2-3 beers, nice buzz and a nice sound sleep, or me killing 7-8 Johnny Walkers, waking up 3-4 times throughout the night for a piss, only to wake up again in the morning feeling like I got hit with a bag of hammers???
It takes me a solid day to get over having a few drinks. There is zero hangover or day after effects with weed

[AuxBatOn]

Great, so only 1 person would have their life destroyed with the least sensitive test and "several" would have it destroyed with the more sensitive one. I wonder if that one that may or may not be used by foreign nations random testing flight crews. Good to hear it's employed non-typically in the work place.

I guess you forgot to read the part that says “during a brief window 4-6 hr after exposure. If you’re part of a house party 4-6 hrs before a flight, I think you’re doing it wrong.

[Dry Guy]

Maaaannnn! I am a successful pot head, Maaaan! You think people who smoke pot go around broadcasting it to ignorant know it alls like yourself??? You are delusional!!!
Whats worse Maaaan, me smoking a joint and havin 2-3 beers, nice buzz and a nice sound sleep, or me killing 7-8 Johnny Walkers, waking up 3-4 times throughout the night for a piss, only to wake up again in the morning feeling like I got hit with a bag of hammers???
It takes me a solid day to get over having a few drinks. There is zero hangover or day after effects with weed

Sounds like they should ban alcohol too.

[Dry Guy]

What happens when a worker under these bans gets a prescription for CBD oil or something from their doctor to threat a legitimate disease?

[mbav8r]

Well I was going to have a nice spliff with my wife and watch a funny movie before bed and be fresh up for duty. Guess i'll legally slam 18 beers 12 hrs before my duty instead. Hopefully I don't smell like PBRs during my crew briefing.

If you do that you’re not legal either!
For “binge” drinking, you must allow 24 hours prior to reporting for duty, at a absolute minimum, the average person metabolizes 1 ounce or 1 drink per hour. Therefore your example would require 18 hours.
I honestly don’t get how a professional pilot could argue for using marijuana, I’ve never met a successful pothead, maaannn!

Maaaannnn! I am a successful pot head, Maaaan! You think people who smoke pot go around broadcasting it to ignorant know it alls like yourself??? You are delusional!!!
Whats worse Maaaan, me smoking a joint and havin 2-3 beers, nice buzz and a nice sound sleep, or me killing 7-8 Johnny Walkers, waking up 3-4 times throughout the night for a piss, only to wake up again in the morning feeling like I got hit with a bag of hammers???
It takes me a solid day to get over having a few drinks. There is zero hangover or day after effects with weed

First of all, my statement is 100% true, I’ve personally never met a successful pothead. I have known several who spend great amounts of time high and unproductive. I have family members who fit the description. I don’t categorize casual smokers as potheads.
It takes me a solid day to get over a hangover also, so guess what, I DON’T DO IT WHEN I HAVE TO WORK.
Based on your posts and alias, you’ve been breaking the law for years, doesn’t sound professional to me. Zero tolerance means none, so you risk your career by smoking pot, you get back to me on how successful you are when you get caught.
If there is zero tolerance and you have a trace amount in your system, not enough to fail a drug test but still detected none the less, do you still fail in T.C’s eyes, to me zero means zero.

[Heliian]

Many provinces are treating it the same as alcohol. Only to be consumed in your own home or other “permitted” places. Ontario has definitely dropped the ball on this

Herein lies one problem, why would we need to ban consumption of alcohol in public? Is there a real danger or is just a "moral" danger.

prohibition is over. get over yourselves.

[mbav8r]

Many provinces are treating it the same as alcohol. Only to be consumed in your own home or other “permitted” places. Ontario has definitely dropped the ball on this

Herein lies one problem, why would we need to ban consumption of alcohol in public? Is there a real danger or is just a "moral" danger.

prohibition is over. get over yourselves.

The intent is to prevent underage people from being exposed to it, the same reason a lounge has to ensure VLTs are not visible in order to have accompanied minors in them. This whole thing in Ontario allowing pot anywhere smoking cigarettes is legal is extremely bizarre.

[Puffpuffpass]

I guess I should clarify I’m not a pot head nor have I smoked in almost a year, but yeah I guess I am guilty of taking a chance from time to time. I like to have an occasional drink as well, but I don’t ever indulge the day before a pairing. I also dont consume alcohol on a layover, other then a social beer for supper if the F/O and I decide to hook up.

What I’m getting at, Alcohol or Weed are both substances where if abused are going to negatively affect your life/health/career etc.

People who are gonna smoke were smoking long before it became legal, I know at least 10 WBC on heavy metal who from time to time like to have a puff . It’s not a bad thing, IMO anyways.

Explain to me why it’s ok for the guy giving me take off/ approach clearance, or controlling a sector with over 20-30 planes in it all carrying anywhere from 10 to 450 pax to smoke weed on his days off, but the guy turning the switches in the plane doing what that controller is telling him to do is forbidden and will be jailed in some circumstances.

[Victory]

The controller doesn't leave the country, first of all.

[tsgas]

The controller doesn't leave the country, first of all.

They also don't work at high altitudes for extended periods of time either.

[Puffpuffpass]

The controller doesn't leave the country, first of all.

He controls planes from other countries where it is illegal.

[Puffpuffpass]

The controller doesn't leave the country, first of all.

They also don't work at high altitudes for extended periods of time either.

What would altitude affect in a person who smoked weed anymore then a smoker??

[Say Again, Over!]

Actually, NAVCANADA's policy for ATC is that you cannot be at work with THC "in your system". Part of that policy also includes the possibility of testing after an incident or anytime there is justifiable cause. Pity the fool who has something happen on his watch and tests positive....

The long and short of it is that controllers are allowed to smoke pot all they want so long as there is no THC present in their body when they come to work. It's vague enough for them to cover themselves for liability's sake and will not need to be adjusted as testing measures improve. Essentially, right now, since test can detect THC up to a month after usage, there is a 28-30 day ban. If testing can reduce that window to 14 or 7 days, the policy will auto adjust.

[Victory]

Damn that's pretty smart wording. If WestJet and AC had said that it would have shut down a lot of the arguments.

[co-joe]

Actually, NAVCANADA's policy for ATC is that you cannot be at work with THC "in your system". Part of that policy also includes the possibility of testing after an incident or anytime there is justifiable cause. Pity the fool who has something happen on his watch and tests positive....

The long and short of it is that controllers are allowed to smoke pot all they want so long as there is no THC present in their body when they come to work. It's vague enough for them to cover themselves for liability's sake and will not need to be adjusted as testing measures improve. Essentially, right now, since test can detect THC up to a month after usage, there is a 28-30 day ban. If testing can reduce that window to 14 or 7 days, the policy will auto adjust.

I respect anyone who can sneak a Mr T quote into their argument.

[FL007]

Try again.

"So researchers paired several regular pot smokers and nonsmokers and put them in a sealed compartment together for an hour, while one smoked a joint containing a relatively strong strain of marijuana.

The 12 nonsmoking participants were then tasked with peeing into a cup 13 times over the next 34 hours. Their urine was tested for 9-carboxy-THC, the marijuana metabolite commonly measured in standard drug tests.

The results, published this month in the Journal of Analytical Toxicology, gives nonsmokers with weed-using friends reason to breathe easy. The scientists found urine levels of this metabolite surpassed typically detectable levels (50 nanogram per milliliter) in only one experiment participant, and this happened during a brief window four to six hours after exposure.

Using a more sensitive test, however, which is not usually employed in the workplace, scientists could detect blood THC levels above the 20 nanogram per milliliter in several participants in the hours after exposure. But these concentrations dipped below this threshold for all participants within 24 hours, according to the study, conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and elsewhere."

https://www.newsweek.com/could-second-h ... est-278913

Thank you for proving that if you have a runway incursion and have been around second hand pot, you might be jailed for the rest of your life.

They did a test 6 hours after, but they didn't do tests afterwards, who knows if a week later trace amounts show in blood tests.

If there is 0 tolerance 0.00000000000001 is criminal. Remember that, hopefully you're not on the forum in a couple months asking for advice and hoping tc would implement a realistic policy.

[seven-oh-nooo]

hoping tc would implement a realistic policy.

Transport's take, if what I heard today is true, is a hell of a lot worse than anyone thought. It's unclear whether it's nationwide or one overzealous region but doctors have been instructed to not renew your medical if you give the wrong answers to their questions.

[CpnCrunch]

Essentially, right now, since test can detect THC up to a month after usage, there is a 28-30 day ban. If testing can reduce that window to 14 or 7 days, the policy will auto adjust.

Tests will show THC in your system up to 77 days after last consumption, if you are a heavy user.