HiFlyChick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:01 pm
Not everyone flies, why should the general public's taxes pay for us to fly?
Actually, the majority of the rules are in place to protect the non-pilot group of citizens from the pilots. That's the reason we need licenses and duty times etc, so not every idiot can go fly and crash into a city, or fall asleep behind the yoke and kill 200 people on board.
I'd find it logical if the "government" would pay for that "themselves" (yes, it's our money, taxes etc) instead of just the small pilot group. After all, the pilots don't need the majority of the rules, the general public does. Or at least that is what the politicians want us to believe.
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-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
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Before this ges any worse, I get fees for things. I need a license plate, I pay a fee, I need a yearly registration I pay a fee, I want a passport I pay the fee. But this one, makes no sense. You are legal with the stamp im the booklet, the fee gets you nothing. I expect that back when the doc filled out a carbon copy and sent it by snail mail in triplicate, someone input the info somewhere and perhaps that was processed, and perhaps that warranted a fee, but I am sure that today the doctor submits the info in some electronic manner and there is no one processing jack. Hence the question, what is the fee paying for really?
I was just trying to point out that there’s no point asking people on this forum to explain why there’s a fee, and when they tell you why there’s a fee, arguing back and saying why they’re wrong, and why there shouldn’t be a fee. Nobody here cares whether anyone else pays the fee or not. Nobody here is passionately invested in trying to justify the fee to anyone else. If you don’t like the fee, don’t pay, and accept the consequences. It’s your life.
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Re: $55 charge, for processing medical?!
by photofly » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:04 pm
As far as I know, CAMEs still submit medical information to transport by post.
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And the TC employed Doctor in the region reviews each of the reports submitted by the CAME.
He or she has the last say as to whether the applicant is fit of not.
In the case of high blood sugar for example the TC employed Doctor will present the process to follow for a fit assessment.
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photofly wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:52 am
I was just trying to point out that there’s no point asking people on this forum to explain why there’s a fee, and when they tell you why there’s a fee, arguing back and saying why they’re wrong, and why there shouldn’t be a fee. Nobody here cares whether anyone else pays the fee or not. Nobody here is passionately invested in trying to justify the fee to anyone else. If you don’t like the fee, don’t pay, and accept the consequences. It’s your life.
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For anyone who is really twisted about this fee, why not go to this link -https://letstalktransportation.ca/fee-modernization - and provide your comments directly to Transport? It may have no more effect than ranting on an internet forum (which is zero, BTW) but at least there's a chance.
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switchflicker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:03 am
Re: $55 charge, for processing medical?!
by photofly » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:04 pm
As far as I know, CAMEs still submit medical information to transport by post.
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And the TC employed Doctor in the region reviews each of the reports submitted by the CAME.
He or she has the last say as to whether the applicant is fit of not.
In the case of high blood sugar for example the TC employed Doctor will present the process to follow for a fit assessment.
This is the first reasonable answer to my question, I did not know that the doctors decision is reviewed by a TC doctor. I guess there is a point in asking a question here. Even if photofly doesn’t like it. Perhaps all the people throwing out guesses previously have learnt something also. Or not.
5x5 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:34 am
For anyone who is really twisted about this fee, why not go to this link -https://letstalktransportation.ca/fee-modernization - and provide your comments directly to Transport? It may have no more effect than ranting on an internet forum (which is zero, BTW) but at least there's a chance.
Good link, but all the consultations closed two months ago. But thanks for digging that up. In addition, why does it bother people to question the government? Seriously, I have asked guys at my airport, and heard some of the same made up answers or guesses as here, aip, stickers, although no one said to my face, just pay it cause it’s aviation so I guess that’s a new one, so thanks avcanada. The above makes some actual sense. If I qualify as ranting on the internet that’s fine, but the folks lecturing how it does no good must also qualify.
For so many comments above to "just pay the fee", or "no one cares", or "or don't pay the fee, it's your life", most here still seems somewhat invested in knowing the answer to this question. Judging by the full gamete of answers, I'm not sure anyone knows for certain. I know it did NOT sit well with me when I opened that envelope with the invoice enclosed.
I think it's always a good idea to challenge the administration of governance, to identify value where they may be some, or to identify a money grab when that's what it is. I sadly think it's the latter... also, if we, as the collective public, were to just accept fee, after fee, after fee, after tax, after administration fee, can you not see where this is going? It is simply unacceptable at a certain point. WE ALREADY PAID FOR THE SERVICE FROM THE DOC, (handsomely, might I add, for a second time).
I'm willing to bet the pool of $55 payments, when collected from the thousands of pilots whom get their medicals processed each year, amounts to a pretty revenue stream for Transport. One which many budgets have been budgeted upon, and one which they are not willing to part ways with unless something drastic changes. Like, a refusal to pay from the pilot pool. But Is that ever going to happen? Of course not.
So.... there goes my $55 dollars, year-after-year. Over a 30 year career? $1650, assuming there is no pricing adjustment due to inflation, or an NDP federal gov't.
I'd rather save that money, thank you very much. after all, aviation has been expensive... right?
SoaringHigh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:46 am
For so many comments above to "just pay the fee", or "no one cares", or "or don't pay the fee, it's your life", most here still seems somewhat invested in knowing the answer to this question. Judging by the full gamete of answers, I'm not sure anyone knows for certain. I know it did NOT sit well with me when I opened that envelope with the invoice enclosed.
I think it's always a good idea to challenge the administration of governance, to identify value where they may be some, or to identify a money grab when that's what it is. I sadly think it's the latter... also, if we, as the collective public, were to just accept fee, after fee, after fee, after tax, after administration fee, can you not see where this is going? It is simply unacceptable at a certain point. WE ALREADY PAID FOR THE SERVICE FROM THE DOC, (handsomely, might I add, for a second time).
I'm willing to bet the pool of $55 payments, when collected from the thousands of pilots whom get their medicals processed each year, amounts to a pretty revenue stream for Transport. One which many budgets have been budgeted upon, and one which they are not willing to part ways with unless something drastic changes. Like, a refusal to pay from the pilot pool. But Is that ever going to happen? Of course not.
So.... there goes my $55 dollars, year-after-year. Over a 30 year career? $1650, assuming there is no pricing adjustment due to inflation, or an NDP federal gov't.
I'd rather save that money, thank you very much. after all, aviation has been expensive... right?
(Most) people must see the inherent problem here.
What problem? A government department, tasked with regulating the safe operation of the aviation system in Canada, extracts some of its operating costs from its user group so as to not download that onto the general tax base? Compared to all of the other costs of aviation, $55 is a bargain...
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fish4life wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:26 pmThis evolved into the AIM in printed form which everytime it was revised you just got a whole new manual in the mail.
I don't recall ever getting more than *one* printed AIM in the mail after they stopped sending out the AIP. After that we were encouraged to find the digital copy online.
Now you just bend over and pay $55 to click on a link
... on an increasingly outdated and poorly organized website.
Maybe a better question is where the fuel surcharge that we all pay on every litre of gas goes? Used to pay for air navigation services... But since privatization, all that money now goes into "general revenue"... NavCanada doesn't get any of it.
SoaringHigh wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:46 amI'm willing to bet the pool of $55 payments, when collected from the thousands of pilots whom get their medicals processed each year, amounts to a pretty revenue stream for Transport.
Well, there are something like 20,000 pilots in Canada, if they all renewed every year that would be ~$1M in revenue just from the $55 fees...
Maybe a better question is where the fuel surcharge that we all pay on every litre of gas goes? Used to pay for air navigation services... But since privatization, all that money now goes into "general revenue"... NavCanada doesn't get any of it.
I am not sure it’s a better question, but it is at least as good a question. 66 dollar navcanada fee if you have a plane in the registry. Even if it doesn’t fly. Kind of feels like a property tax levied by a private corporation....
