Jazz - Dash 8 bond

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Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by atpl53 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:20 am

For anyone working at jazz: Is there a bond requirement and if so what is the length?
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by goleafsgo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:09 am

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:20 am
For anyone working at jazz: Is there a bond requirement and if so what is the length?
Thanks

Dan
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by Lightchop » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:42 am

There's no bond, but you are frozen on type for 48 months unless you upgrade, or move to a base you couldn't have held.

For example there are no RJ in Toronto. Let's say you're from Toronto and your whole class only had RJs. You would be allowed to bid the Q or Classic on Toronto as an FO and not be held to your RJ freeze.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by atpl53 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am

Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by Outlaw58 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:17 am

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Not ruining your reputation is one incentive... the air industry is a small world :)

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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by tps8903 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:37 am

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
The inventive is working at a place that treats you well. Places that don't have bonds usually don't need a bonds, because their employees are happy enough.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by digits_ » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:13 am

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
You get a big fat pay raise after one year to account for your added value to the company, as you are now a typerated pilot.


Oh, wait... Never mind....

You get a dangling Maple leaf instead.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by Rowdy » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:01 am

Our union would not allow a bond.

The working conditions are far better than most operations here, which tends to keep people. Not to mention the benefit package, pension, ESOP, schedule, vacation, mx, training etc.

Some people do indeed leave after a year or two for overseas gigs. Or after the agreed upon two years they head for mainline if they get through the process. I highly doubt anyone who came here would up and leave for Porter or Encore. Where else are you gonna use that fresh Q400 type rating?
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by av8ts » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:07 am

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Well you could just stay so you can complain about how little your making for a 1500 hour pilot who knew what the pay was when you got hired
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Post by DH8Pilot » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:54 am

As Rowdy mentioned, the working conditions at Jazz are well above industry standard, while the pay was only forced down to industry standard due to increased competition in the regional AC CPA market. The reality is that this is a really great place to work, regardless of whether you're using it as a stepping stone or planning to make a career here. Those who can't handle the pay shouldn't apply - it's as simple as that. Those who think they can come here to get a quick, bond free type rating before jumping ship, are not only doing a disservice to themselves and their colleagues, but also to the pilot profession as a whole. While I can certainly understand the propensity of some pilots to not want to stay at certain unfavourable operators too long, Jazz treats their employees with respect, and I would expect any proper profession pilot to treat the company in the same way.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by Lightchop » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:13 pm

atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Uhhh, best working conditions in Canada for a regional (even mainline is debatable), a career, two year upgrades? Shall I go on?
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by fish4life » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:04 pm

Lightchop wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:13 pm
atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Uhhh, best working conditions in Canada for a regional (even mainline is debatable), a career, two year upgrades? Shall I go on?
Lots of regionals with better pay and conditions, most of the northern ones come to mind
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Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:41 pm

Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to live in a concrete jungle. One of the fantastically expensive cities of Montreal, Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver. We all know that its every pilot's dream to live there.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by FL007 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:31 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:41 pm
Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to live in a concrete jungle. One of the fantastically expensive cities of Montreal, Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver. We all know that its every pilot's dream to live there.
Yes it's everyone's dream to wear a hat on the subway, especially when you can use the hat to collect change on the subway because you made 35k as an airline pilot that year.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:14 pm

Haha. I haven't seen a pilot hat used to bum for change yet.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:50 am

Alot of koolaid drinking going on here
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by tps8903 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:28 am

Lightchop wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:13 pm
atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Uhhh, best working conditions in Canada for a regional (even mainline is debatable), a career, two year upgrades? Shall I go on?
I'd say all three are pretty comparable. Picking one category like pay might put one above another, however each have different benefits and disadvantages. Jazz pays well, and has a PML to Mainline. Encore has a top notch commuting policy and gaurenteed flow. Porter probably pays the best for a Q, and allows you to live where you work (YHZ,YOW,YQT). Each to their own. Any of these 3 regionals are a safe bet as long as they fit what you want in life. As far as I can tell they all treat their people well.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by FL007 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:48 am

tps8903 wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:28 am
Lightchop wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:13 pm
atpl53 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:05 am
Thanks. i appreciate the quick response.

So my curiosity is, what is the incentive to stay after Jazz spends the money training you?
Uhhh, best working conditions in Canada for a regional (even mainline is debatable), a career, two year upgrades? Shall I go on?
I'd say all three are pretty comparable. Picking one category like pay might put one above another, however each have different benefits and disadvantages. Jazz pays well, and has a PML to Mainline. Encore has a top notch commuting policy and gaurenteed flow. Porter probably pays the best for a Q, and allows you to live where you work (YHZ,YOW,YQT). Each to their own. Any of these 3 regionals are a safe bet as long as they fit what you want in life. As far as I can tell they all treat their people well.
I'm pretty sure pay wise it's Porter, then Encore, then Jazz.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by bearitus » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:16 am

It's sad that the pay is so low at the regionals but what can we do. In my opinion the starting wages flying a 705 machine in the right seat should be at least 60-70k given the responsibility, training and costs involved to get there.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by FL007 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:06 am

bearitus wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:16 am
It's sad that the pay is so low at the regionals but what can we do. In my opinion the starting wages flying a 705 machine in the right seat should be at least 60-70k given the responsibility, training and costs involved to get there.
This is a never ending story. The reason it's still low is that instead of raising wages to entice pilots that they deemed have the skill, ie 2000hr limit back in 2014 for example, they just reduce the limit, which is down to sub 800hrs.

Eventually it will turn into 250hr pilots who, unfortunately accept low wages just for the opportunity to skip northern flying.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by Jet Stream » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:41 am

Come on guys.

$500
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by goldeneagle » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:10 pm

Jet Stream wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:41 am
Come on guys.

$500
Correct answer is 500.

Nowhere in that clip did it define if that was dollars, or some other currency. Who knows, maybe it was cents...
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by co-joe » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:11 pm

DH8Pilot wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:54 am
As Rowdy mentioned, the working conditions at Jazz are well above industry standard, while the pay was only forced down to industry standard due to increased competition in the regional AC CPA market. ...
I love how Jazz people blame the shitty pay on everyone but themselves. Sure it's Sky Regional and Georgian's fault...except Jazz pay sucked pre Air Canada Express, I'll concede that now on the B scale, it's worse.
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Re: Jazz - Dash 8 bond

Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:19 pm

Porter, Encore and Sky now all pay better than Jazz. The only company worse is ggn.

The Jazz "bond" is the big carrot. After 2 or 3 years, people generally move on, either to AC, overseas, or elsewhere. Plus, with 800 hours and a fresh Q400 type rating, where are you going to go? Fly for 2 years, now with 2500 hours there's a lot more job options.
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