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The government is concerned...

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https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... -says-Fuhr


Pretty sure the answer they're looking for is mentioned in the beginning.

For whatever reason, no attention given to the shortage of AME's.
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Maybe the government should do what they can to make flying a better job. Shit pay, shit working conditions and shit duty regs really doesn't make it an appealing career. I don't know many pilots who would recommend the career to others.
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goingnowherefast wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:03 pm Maybe the government should do what they can to make flying a better job. Shit pay, shit working conditions and shit duty regs really doesn't make it an appealing career. I don't know many pilots who would recommend the career to others.
I would happy stay a regional pilot if I could work say 12 days a month, have minimum 13 hour layovers and made over $100k.
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It's not rocket science...I don't think we need an expensive study to find the problem. I'd be happy to fly for a living if I could afford to! I could have my CPL in a few months if I wanted.
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Is there really going to be a shortage though? I've noticed flight schools have been getting busier. Is that just me?
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I keep thinking I would like to go back to flying commercially, then I look at my paystubb and think why? Pay cut, time and money commuting, I guess I could eventually make more but until then is it worth it?
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jakeandelwood wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:21 pm I keep thinking I would like to go back to flying commercially, then I look at my paystubb and think why? Pay cut, time and money commuting, I guess I could eventually make more but until then is it worth it?
Depends on your family situation and your age I would wager. If you're in your early thirties and get back into it, in the long term you will do well.
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JasonE wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:24 pm It's not rocket science...I don't think we need an expensive study to find the problem. I'd be happy to fly for a living if I could afford to! I could have my CPL in a few months if I wanted.
So could my Gran. Who cares what you think. You don't have perspective. Let the commercial pilots speak their minds.
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Meatservo wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:25 am
JasonE wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:24 pm It's not rocket science...I don't think we need an expensive study to find the problem. I'd be happy to fly for a living if I could afford to! I could have my CPL in a few months if I wanted.
So could my Gran. Who cares what you think. You don't have perspective. Let the commercial pilots speak their minds.
Meat ANGRY! SMASH!
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Lightchop wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:22 pm
goingnowherefast wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:03 pm Maybe the government should do what they can to make flying a better job. Shit pay, shit working conditions and shit duty regs really doesn't make it an appealing career. I don't know many pilots who would recommend the career to others.
I would happy stay a regional pilot if I could work say 12 days a month, have minimum 13 hour layovers and made over $100k.
I would only recommend it to others if they love aviation. Otherwise, you will probably hate enough of it to not want to do it. Maybe the government could convince the airlines to offer flexible options to its pilots. Some like being home every night, some like long layovers away from home, some like to work for extended periods and then have extended periods off. Pay could match the option.

I like the last option but find few companies willing to do it. Maybe if companies were more flexible, they would find more people. Easy to say, I know but still, in the end, people are choosing a different career.
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Lightchop wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:48 pm
jakeandelwood wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:21 pm I keep thinking I would like to go back to flying commercially, then I look at my paystubb and think why? Pay cut, time and money commuting, I guess I could eventually make more but until then is it worth it?
Depends on your family situation and your age I would wager. If you're in your early thirties and get back into it, in the long term you will do well.
In my mid 40s now with a wife, (she has a kid) and mortgage so I would have to commute. Commuting sucks if you only get * few days off in between work.
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jakeandelwood wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:45 am
Lightchop wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:48 pm
jakeandelwood wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:21 pm I keep thinking I would like to go back to flying commercially, then I look at my paystubb and think why? Pay cut, time and money commuting, I guess I could eventually make more but until then is it worth it?
Depends on your family situation and your age I would wager. If you're in your early thirties and get back into it, in the long term you will do well.
In my mid 40s now with a wife, (she has a kid) and mortgage so I would have to commute. Commuting sucks if you only get * few days off in between work.
Yeah I agree I commuted for a year. Unless you have the ability to move to one of the bases it would be difficult for sure.
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pelmet wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:47 am Maybe the government could
As if the government had an udder for pilots. Those knockers are for big business. Reference duty times, every sanitized accident report, etc.
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The government doesn’t have an udder for pilots, but they certainly can stimulate industry into producing them.

Things like grants, student loan forgiveness, federal subsidies or tax incentives for flight schools, infrastructure funding, funding for something like the Civil Air Patrol, more funding for Air Cadets.. the list is almost endless.

There’s also an udder they do have, the RCAF. Expand training, offer flying clubs and a more comprehensive Air Force reserve of pilots with basic training which could be recalled and trained up when needed. Who wouldn’t want to have a CPL with a rotary or multi engine IFR converted to civilian for free to go into time building jobs?
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^ F@#K all that Sh!t! Indusrty created the looming headache by paying poorly in the first place, and now they want the taxpayers to bail them out, by increasing the supply of pilots, so that they can continue to pay poorly??!! FTS! How about salaries going up to attract more people? You know, just like how a capitalist economy is supposed to work!

My cynical side notes that the picture accompanying the article is of one of Flair's 737s; co-incidental, I'm sure, that Flair is based in Kelowna, and it is the (Conservative) MP for Kelowna who is bleating about bailouts.
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mmm..bacon wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:19 pm ^ F@#K all that Sh!t! Indusrty created the looming headache by paying poorly in the first place, and now they want the taxpayers to bail them out, by increasing the supply of pilots, so that they can continue to pay poorly??!! FTS! How about salaries going up to attract more people? You know, just like how a capitalist economy is supposed to work!

My cynical side notes that the picture accompanying the article is of one of Flair's 737s; co-incidental, I'm sure, that Flair is based in Kelowna, and it is the (Conservative) MP for Kelowna who is bleating about bailouts.
Your thoughts make sense except other parts of the government are screaming that airfare in Canada is already too expensive. You are dreaming if you think aviation is a high profit industry. The margins for sked operations are terrible.

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The regional airlines are paying less than they did a few years ago even though there is a shortage, this industry doesn't make sense to me.
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bearitus wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:47 pm The regional airlines are paying less than they did a few years ago even though there is a shortage, this industry doesn't make sense to me.
This... 100% exactly this...


Shortage? Not so much..
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Good thing they killed the new duty regs, imagine if that would have made the job more attractive. Then this MP couldn't swoop in and save the day with extra money.
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Meatservo wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:25 am
JasonE wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:24 pm It's not rocket science...I don't think we need an expensive study to find the problem. I'd be happy to fly for a living if I could afford to! I could have my CPL in a few months if I wanted.
So could my Gran. Who cares what you think. You don't have perspective. Let the commercial pilots speak their minds.
I love this forum.

Jobs arent the problem. Pay is. And whats more of a problem is the scabs that take those low paying jobs.

Too many people like JasonE would feel "privileged" to work for Buffalo and throw bags for a year just so they can fly a plane. What a deal that is. Loser kids need to stop accepting bullshit paying jobs with bullshit hours and bullshit training bonds and bullshit bullshit just so they can look cool on Instagram. Christ.
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