Future 797 single pilot?

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Future 797 single pilot?

Post by igorcanuck » Tue May 21, 2019 10:04 am

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/boeings ... board.html

797 single pilot? What are your thoughts?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by pianokeys » Tue May 21, 2019 10:23 am

Its going to happen. Just a matter of when.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by Heliian » Tue May 21, 2019 10:25 am

lol. ya, first they should figure out how to make their planes flyable with 2 pilots.

Everyone thinks self driving drone taxis are going to be filling the skies in the next couple of years.

Sadly, we just aren't there yet.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by ant_321 » Tue May 21, 2019 10:28 am

I hope not. Can you imagine sitting in the front all day long with nobody to talk to?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by FICU » Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am

Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 am

Pilots don't get tired, the fatigue rules are robust :lol:
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by yycflyguy » Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 am

FICU wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am
Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?
Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by igorcanuck » Tue May 21, 2019 10:48 am

yycflyguy wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 am
FICU wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am
Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?
Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.
"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by FICU » Tue May 21, 2019 11:41 am

They would have a button in the ground control trailer labeled... "Wake Pilot" and it would send an electrical shock through the driver to snap him/her out of their peaceful slumber.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by rookiepilot » Tue May 21, 2019 5:56 pm

FICU wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 11:41 am
They would have a button in the ground control trailer labeled... "Wake Pilot" and it would send an electrical shock through the driver to snap him/her out of their peaceful slumber.
Wouldn't "Shock" me in the least. :lol:
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Tue May 21, 2019 6:49 pm

igorcanuck wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:48 am
yycflyguy wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 am
FICU wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am
Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?
Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.
"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"
This will be the new “pilot in waiting “ position
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by digits_ » Tue May 21, 2019 6:53 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 6:49 pm
igorcanuck wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:48 am
yycflyguy wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 am


Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.
"A second pilot would be ground based and be able to “monitor several aircraft” at the same time"

HAHAHA! First-officers and dispatchers will 'merge"
This will be the new “pilot in waiting “ position
Can I log them as PIC under supervision?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by FICU » Tue May 21, 2019 8:43 pm

digits_ wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 6:53 pm
Can I log them as PIC under supervision?
PIC under a roof
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue May 21, 2019 11:33 pm

Can I log it as "not gonna apply for the job or book that flight"?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Wed May 22, 2019 8:40 am

Just offer to pay the single pilot 1.5x their current salary, and watch how many pilots suddenly want it.
Oh wait, pilots ALWAYS stand up for the "greater good" of the industry and their fellow pilots. :D
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by goingnowherefast » Wed May 22, 2019 11:02 am

Wouldn't an FO be cheaper than 1.5x captain salary and a ground based FO, even split among several flights?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by leftoftrack » Wed May 22, 2019 12:18 pm

who's gonna pull the circuit breaker during a runaway trim when the first pilot is using all his might to maintain control?
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Wed May 22, 2019 1:40 pm

doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:40 am
Just offer to pay the single pilot 1.5x their current salary, and watch how many pilots suddenly want it.
Oh wait, pilots ALWAYS stand up for the "greater good" of the industry and their fellow pilots. :D
Dang. You're right. It might be a wash at 1.5
But 1.2 or 1.3 and a dispatcher/monitor salary it might be workable. It's really about pilot incapacitation...otherwise 5g and cpdlc....can fly the plane.

I guess my point is once the economics are workable.....
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Wed May 22, 2019 1:50 pm

leftoftrack wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:18 pm
who's gonna pull the circuit breaker during a runaway trim when the first pilot is using all his might to maintain control?
Siri will. Just speak into the integrated Iphone/display unit.

It's 2019
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Wed May 22, 2019 1:53 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 am
FICU wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am
Who's going to wake them out of their head bobbing nap?
Or when they need to go pee
or when they have a knife and fork in their hands
or when they become incapacitated
or when they are screwing up
or when there are multiple MELs and are expected to fly through the night with no AP AT for 11 hours
or in an emergency, who is going to run the checklist, who will fly

Pure rubbish to think that single pilot airliners will happen in my lifetime. Uber taxis can't even figure out land automation without weather dynamics and more complicated systems that planes have.
I agree.
Next there will be autoland !
Whoever heard of such a thing....a plane landing itself.
Maybe in 2077

What's next....watches like inspector gadget?
Or large video telephones in the kitchen at home where you can ACTUALLY see a person's face as you talk to them. Way too futuristic for me!
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by Outlaw58 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:11 pm

Knowing what I know now, I just can't see myself boarding a plane without a pilot. I trust the flawed human way more than the supposedly triply-redundant ultra-fail-safe computers.

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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by doiwannabeapilot » Wed May 22, 2019 2:13 pm

ant_321 wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:28 am
I hope not. Can you imagine sitting in the front all day long with nobody to talk to?
No worries.
The 'gram, Facebook, twotter and the like will be there
for your in flight entertainment.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by L39Guy » Wed May 22, 2019 6:23 pm

It ain’t gonna happen for the following reasons:
- Boeing or any manufacturer would have to prove to the regulators that a one pilot airplane would as safe or safer than a two person airplane. It would be difficult if not impossible to make that case.
- as you can see with the MAX issue, there is no tolerance for accidents of one aircraft type. Accidents of a one pilot aircraft would make these aircraft permanently to toxic to consumers and airlines.
- Automation does fail. Boeing and Airbus and others have proven that.
- There are scores and scores of examples of automation failing and the pilot(s) saving the day. It’s never front page news, however.
- When one considers the incremental cost of a second pilot onboard compared to the second pilot on the ground, it is in the dollar per hour per passenger range. The traveling public would be happy to pay that. Yes, there are bozo’s that say that they wouldn’t but they would be the exception.
- Even bean counters can figure out that incremental cost of a second human on the aircraft is a small investment compared to the cost of a single accident that would have been prevented.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by leftoftrack » Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 pm

if you're saying its cause of the cost of having the 1 pilot on board vs 2 and having 1 pilot on the ground. They would soon find a way to have that 1 pilot being the 2nd pilot on more then 1 airplane at a time. Thats where the real savings would be.
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Re: Future 797 single pilot?

Post by fish4life » Wed May 22, 2019 7:54 pm

Or pilot 2 is helping serve cookies in the back after TO/landing
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