To get a more fulsome picture, we want to reach out to general aviation pilots on the AVCanada forum and find out what you think.
Currently, GA pilots/owners receive an invoice for landing and infrastructure fees from Winnipeg Airport several weeks following the arrival/departure. We are contemplating a move to best practices where the FBO collects these fees on our behalf, at the time of the visit, together with the FBO service fees.
While this is best practice at many other airports globally, we want to confirm that this is desirable and convenient for our customers.
We are taking all feedback into consideration and look forward to making this process better for our customers.
We in GA constantly get hit with more fees, and then we talk about the waning number of GA aircraft, how costly it is to get into. ....
How about if you are not commercial, no landing fee. ..? Or if you buy fuel or lunch or get work done on site, no fee, stay for the weekend? Rent a car? Take the wife shopping...,, no fee.
Geez, support tourism! Be GA friendly!
Sorry, my rant. ...
GA is looked at as being a cash cow for some people. I personally will avoid an airport that has landing fees. There are many that don’t charge just use them. As to “expense” incurred for landing it’s a bit of a joke. We already pay for Nav Can every year so theres that. But good luck driving away business.
If you have room and want to make revenue off GA traffic, let them land for free, then sell gas, rent cars, other FBO services, etc.
Landing fees are like toll roads, people avoid them.
FWIW, CJB3 is right there with avgas. No fancy FBO, but no landing fees.
Another thing to consider is the used definition of "general aviation". From an airport point of view, I assume that everything that isn't scheduled airlines or military flying, is considered general aviation. That includes a big chunk of medevac flying, corporate (based and visiting) and the small stuff, which people here probably consider general aviation.
Is it unfair to charge landing fees for big corporate jets?
Is it unfair to charge landing fees for medevac traffic that expects/requests priority handling on every flight?
In an ideal world, landing fees wouldn't be necessary. On the other hand, FBOs are very fuel price sensitive. Cheaper fuel attracts more planes. If they have to add a percentage to their fuel price to pay for the "free" landing fees, some might shoot themselves in the foot that way.
Let's be honest here, when flying a 172, you'd have to add a 20% markup to the fuel price to get your landing fee money back. Would you pay that? Or would you land with lots of fuel, skip the fuelling and leave again when your business is done? It's a tough one.
On the other hand, as posted before, how much money does the airport really make on a small plane. Is it worth the hassle to collect fees at all? If one 172 visitor is impressed by the airport and buys a king air a few years from now, you'll make way more than any small airplane landing fee would.
If you want to generate more income from general aviation, I'd suggest building some hangar space. You could rent out space like that. Your hangar will be rented out before the foundation is finished. There's a big shortage of hangar space in the CYWG area.
The airport authority doesn’t employ any controllers!
You and I and every other pilot employs the controllers!
BTW, Nav Canada are currently telling people at their seminars that there are NO LANDING fees for GA aircraft and are promoting the idea of doing touch and goes and circuits at YWG!
YWG doesn't employ any controllers. Nav Canada does. YWG doesn't pay any controllers. You and I and our employers pay the controllers.
Nav Canada is currently telling everyone at their public seminars that YWG doesn't charge any fee [for private aircraft?? not stated] and pilots are welcome to fly in, do touch and goes or circuits.
Something doesn't jive.
Thanks for your feedback – we consider all of it helpful, and for us at WAA, remaining GA-friendly is our goal.
As we continue to research and develop the best method to collect landing and infrastructure fees for General Aviation, we will be in contact with other pertinent parties to advise of any changes.
Though we won’t be monitoring this thread regularly, we’re happy to hear any additional feedback or context that you may have regarding GA as a whole. With that in mind, you’re welcome to reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org.
The understanding as published could be all major aircraft takes priority and that we will hold on the ground or in the air so as to not cause disruptions. Ideally, the FBO’s would benefit.
I suspect we won’t get a reply.