Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

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Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by digits_ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:23 am

Disgusting.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by AuxBatOn » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:31 am

DND has to pay for parking since ~2010... disgusting indeed.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:50 am

The taxman wins...
No, the rest of Canada wins, because there's more tax revenue. Why is it disgusting?
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by CL-Skadoo! » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:58 am

photofly wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:50 am
The taxman wins...
No, the rest of Canada wins, because there's more tax revenue. Why is it disgusting?

What did I win?

-Rest of Canada
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:05 am

About 30% of $500 per year, for every flight attendant who's given a parking pass as part of their employment, in perpetuity.
If you don't want your share, I'll have it.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by digits_ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:14 am

It is disgusting because you should have the right to park at your workplace when your car is the only viable means to get to work. If your employer decides to pay for that because he is based in an expensive part of town, the employee shouldn't be taxed on it. The employee doesn't have a realistic choice on where to park. Due to duty day limitations, rest periods are frequently as short as legally possible and assume that you park at work.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:23 am

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's not what the law says. Thirty million other Canadians don't get the opportunity for a tax break on their parking (or other forms of transport to work) if their employer provides it to them, and the court decided there were no special circumstances in this case.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by lownslow » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:25 am

I eagerly await my taxes going down accordingly.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by digits_ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:32 am

photofly wrote:
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's not what the law says. Thirty million other Canadians don't get the opportunity for a tax break on their parking (or other forms of transport to work) if their employer provides it to them, and the court decided there were no special circumstances in this case.
Oh I don't think pilots should be treated differently than other employees. It shouldn't be taxed for anyone. Nobody parks at their workplace for fun.

Let's look at it this way: if the company owns a big piece of land with free parking and the employees can park there for free, as far as I know, employees are not taxed.
If the company decides to save money and rent some parking spaces at the airport or a public parking space and let the employees park there, then employees would be taxed?
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:57 am

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Oh I don't think pilots should be treated differently than other employees. It shouldn't be taxed for anyone. Nobody parks at their workplace for fun.
Company A provides free parking; Company B, with otherwise equivalent conditions of employment and remuneration, doesn't. Employees of Company B pay for their own parking. Clearly, employees of Company A are receiving something valuable in the form of free parking, and it's right they should be taxed on it.

You can make the same argument for any kind of transport to work paid for by an employer; nobody pays for a train ticket to work for fun. But the law in Canada (and in every country) is that the employee is responsible for paying the cost of getting to their normal and usual place of work out of whatever is left of their income after tax. If the company pays for or subsidises that travel, it's a taxable benefit. You might not like the rule, but given that it is a rule, it should be enforced consistently.

Let's look at it this way: if the company owns a big piece of land with free parking and the employees can park there for free, as far as I know, employees are not taxed.
If the company decides to save money and rent some parking spaces at the airport or a public parking space and let the employees park there, then employees would be taxed?
Tax is based on the market value of something. The minute the company puts a price on something and sells it to the public, they've established what that market value is, and employees who get it free need to pay tax on that amount.

Even if it's a private car park, and the public is not permitted to park there, if the CRA can establish there's a value in providing free parking, it should be taxed as such. The only argument then is what is the correct value.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by digits_ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 am

In theory what you say makes sense, but do people get taxed if they park their car for free on their employer's property?

As far as I know they don't. So either the rules aren't applied properly, or the rule isn't fair.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:26 am

digits_ wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 am
In theory what you say makes sense, but do people get taxed if they park their car for free on their employer's property?

As far as I know they don't. So either the rules aren't applied properly, or the rule isn't fair.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... rking.html

More generally, if some dishonest people under-declare their taxable benefits, that doesn't make a good argument for scrapping the tax.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by rookiepilot » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:44 am

PF is right.

My unpopular opinion: parking as a whole, is drastically underpriced, and this causes a massive cost in time, in the form of traffic congestion.

Build trains, not more parking lots.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by ahramin » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:53 am

This is directly costing me about $500/year cash out of my pocket. I cannot come up with any reasonable argument against it. Face it, some people have their parking at work paid for, and some don't. Those that do should pay taxes on it.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by digits_ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:27 pm

photofly wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:26 am
digits_ wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 am
In theory what you say makes sense, but do people get taxed if they park their car for free on their employer's property?

As far as I know they don't. So either the rules aren't applied properly, or the rule isn't fair.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... rking.html

More generally, if some dishonest people under-declare their taxable benefits, that doesn't make a good argument for scrapping the tax.
Not necessarily dishonest. A car park where employees and customers can park at, is free. A car park where only employees can park at, is a taxable benefit. The end result is the same: free parking for the employee.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by YBW-Kid » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:25 am

Makes me think if Revenue Canada is about to go after all the free coffee and soda's and meals served to the crews on the airplane while en-route. Taxable benefit you know. How about the use of restrooms in the airplane or in the workplace office.

This smacks as of desperate Liberal times attempting to squeeze the little guy to make up for the SNC Lavalins & Quebec based aviation & train ventures (corporate welfare).

Anybody who supports this type of taxation probably makes too much money to care.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by photofly » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:14 am

There's a whole thing about tax deductions for meals that transport employees pay for:
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency ... oyees.html

But it looks like meals provided away from your home base are not a taxable benefit.

Use of the bathroom is not something anyone pays for, so not a taxable benefit.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by AirFrame » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:58 am

dhc# wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:40 am
The taxman wins...
Not surprising. It *is* a taxable benefit.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by ahramin » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:34 am

YBW-Kid wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:25 am
Makes me think if Revenue Canada is about to go after all the free coffee and soda's and meals served to the crews on the airplane while en-route. Taxable benefit you know. How about the use of restrooms in the airplane or in the workplace office.

This smacks as of desperate Liberal times attempting to squeeze the little guy to make up for the SNC Lavalins & Quebec based aviation & train ventures (corporate welfare).

Anybody who supports this type of taxation probably makes too much money to care.
Yep, those darn Liberals again, making Revenue Canada enforce the tax code while the Conservatives were in power. Good thing we managed to hang onto our airports during the American revolutionary war, we almost ended up like the Brits losing all theirs in the US.

You're more on point with your silly bathroom and crew meal argument. Make no mistake, Revenue Canada has our per diems in their sights. The amounts have grown to the point where it's clearly a way of providing untaxed compensation. I'm surprised we still get away with collecting per diems during a flight that has crew meals.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by squash junky » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:51 pm

I used to work for a European airline and I am taxed on all travel benefits. It triples the standby travel cost.
They tried to tax the parking also, but the company started charging us a couple of bucks a day so it couldn't be taxed.
The stupid thing is not the taxing of the benefits. The stupid thing is the unaccountability of the politicians and the overspending.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by C.W.E. » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:09 pm

The stupid thing is the unaccountability of the politicians and the overspending.

But nothing beats the stupidity of the Canadian sheep that willingly support these maggots.

The best thing I ever did in my flying career was work outside of Canada.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by cxchd » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:48 pm

I'm sure next will be jumpseating. If you only pay $50 for a jumpseat and not paying the full fare, the government will be wanting their money on the extra. This government pisses away so much money they will come after every dime they can steal from the taxpayer. So those of you who think this is fine, keep this in mind.
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by C.W.E. » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:53 pm

What other career outside of a politician is there that dishonesty is a prerequisite to be able to compete?
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Re: Airport Parking Ruled a Taxable Benefit

Post by jakeandelwood » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:37 pm

Think about how many times the average 30 year old vehicle has been taxed in its life, way more than it cost when it was new. If the government could figure out a way to tax that blender you bought at a garage sale they would.
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