Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

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Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Victory » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:34 pm

I lost a good chunk of sleep last night after multiple Amber Alerts in the Toronto area at 3 AM (once again). I didn't call in fatigued because I felt I was still safe to operate but of course I was not as fit as I could have been. Where do you draw the line on this?
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Warden » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:36 pm

It woke me up again last night too.

It's a very poorly designed system. But apparently complaining about it makes us bad people who don't care about children. :roll:
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by co-joe » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:45 pm

I find it especially bad in this industry, the other day while Mountain biking in Canmore, I got an alert for Edmonton. You'd think a cell phone based alert could tell where I am, not where I was 2 days ago with work.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Ki-ll » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:49 pm

LTE - OFF
What if it was your kid? Would you want the system there or not?
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Victory » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:58 pm

If it was my kid I would realize the following:
-If people are asleep they are not going to wake up and go look for my kid
-If people are awake a notification in the form of a text message without a loud sound would accomplish the same thing
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Ki-ll » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:02 pm

Victory wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:58 pm
If it was my kid I would realize the following:
-If people are asleep they are not going to wake up and go look for my kid
-If people are awake a notification in the form of a text message without a loud sound would accomplish the same thing
Just because you won’t do it, doesn’t mean others won’t.
Turn your LTE off and live Amber-alert free life.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Warden » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:10 pm

I pay for LTE service, and shouldn't have to turn it off because of government incompetence.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by C-GGGQ » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:21 pm

Turn it off when you go to bed. Hell turn the whole phone off. It's what I do. Airplane mode of I need my alarm (though easily remedied by getting a cheap alarm clock)
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Ki-ll » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:22 pm

Warden wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:10 pm
I pay for LTE service, and shouldn't have to turn it off because of government incompetence.
Then you may complain about it on an anonymous Internet forum.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Warden » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:23 pm

Ki-ll wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:22 pm
Warden wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:10 pm
I pay for LTE service, and shouldn't have to turn it off because of government incompetence.
Then you may complain about it on an anonymous Internet forum.
As is tradition.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Warden » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:25 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:21 pm
Turn it off when you go to bed. Hell turn the whole phone off. It's what I do. Airplane mode of I need my alarm (though easily remedied by getting a cheap alarm clock)
If you are on reserve... kinda hard to do. I wish I could!

I set my phone on do not disturb until my reserve time. At which it goes to ringer, and allows crewsked to call. However even if it's on do not disturb I still get the Amber alerts.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by B208 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:38 pm

Ki-ll wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:49 pm
LTE - OFF
What if it was your kid? Would you want the system there or not?
I am so sick of this response. Listen and listen well, I will even type slowly so that you can keep up. If my kid went missing here in Ottawa I would be devastated beyond the ability to think. However, I would still have the capacity to realize that waking up people in Thunder Bay, or most of the rest of the province WOULD BE OF NO EARTHLY USE. Do you know what that means? It means that even on my worst day, when my mind has been torqued to the point of snapping, I’d still be much, much smarter than you.
Seriously, what do you do when you get an Amber Alert at 3 am for an incident 800 Km away? Do you saddle up and form a search party? Do you nudge your boyfriend and say, “Sorry honey, thar’s A youngin in deeestress. I gotta mosey. Pass me ma big white hat”
I realize you probably don’t deserve the amount of mockery that I just dropped on you, but you happened to be the lucky sod that gave the bear the final poke which exhausted his patience. What can I say, avcanada is cheaper than paying a therapist. Have a nice day, and for the love of God, try and learn the difference between thinking and feeling.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by B208 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:44 pm

On a serious note, there is a system that allows you to opt out of Amber Alerts. They already use it in the states. The CRTC, however decided that Canadians had not need of the right to choose what notifications we got. Maybe if we started a movement to end this invasion of our electronics; we could use the slogan “My phone, my choice”. (Yes, I’m a complete asshole)
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Ki-ll » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:45 pm

B208 wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:38 pm
Ki-ll wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:49 pm
LTE - OFF
What if it was your kid? Would you want the system there or not?
I am so sick of this response. Listen and listen well, I will even type slowly so that you can keep up. If my kid went missing here in Ottawa I would be devastated beyond the ability to think. However, I would still have the capacity to realize that waking up people in Thunder Bay, or most of the rest of the province WOULD BE OF NO EARTHLY USE. Do you know what that means? It means that even on my worst day, when my mind has been torqued to the point of snapping, I’d still be much, much smarter than you.
Seriously, what do you do when you get an Amber Alert at 3 am for an incident 800 Km away? Do you saddle up and form a search party? Do you nudge your boyfriend and say, “Sorry honey, thar’s A youngin in deeestress. I gotta mosey. Pass me ma big white hat”
I realize you probably don’t deserve the amount of mockery that I just dropped on you, but you happened to be the lucky sod that gave the bear the final poke which exhausted his patience. What can I say, avcanada is cheaper than paying a therapist. Have a nice day, and for the love of God, try and learn the difference between thinking and feeling.
You feel better now?
That’ll be $25.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by B208 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:47 pm

I’ll buy you a beer sometime. ;)
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by valleyboy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:44 pm

Pretty simple - simply turn off the alert audio from your notifications menu under settings - you will still get the alert but no audio. You should be able to sleep through that - that's for android as far as Iphone weenies you can do it too - just ask Mr google.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:52 pm

I have a friend who was on the takeoff roll when the amber alert alarm started going off. As he was new to the plane he was confused as to what the hell alarm was going off and almost elected to reject. I would say in that case it could have been quite detrimental to aviation safety.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Maynard » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:39 pm

Should his phone have been on during the takeoff roll? Distraction is a detriment to aviation safety, not alerts.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by PilotDAR » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:33 pm

If it was my kid I would realize the following:
-If people are asleep they are not going to wake up and go look for my kid
-If people are awake a notification in the form of a text message without a loud sound would accomplish the same thing
Hear hear!

I spent 27 years with a fire department pager 24/7, and it would be set off at all hours day and night, and I'd go. I've retired from being an active firefighter, I've done my duty. I would like society to not wake me up for their emergencies any more, unless someone specifically knows that I specifically can help. I'm still entirely willing to keep an eye out, while driving, or even take my plane and go and look if directed. But if I'm not being directed, or are reasonably awake, and in the "active zone, please respect my privacy.
I have a friend who was on the takeoff roll when the amber alert alarm started going off. As he was new to the plane he was confused as to what the hell alarm was going off and almost elected to reject.
Yes, when a new firefighter alerting system was installed on each of our phones, no one told us that a loud siren sound accompanied an alert. The first one was when I was driving, and it startled me so much, I blew through a stop, and was very nearly boned - which would have been my loss and fault. I apologized to the other driver. Happily, my new car turns off all audio from my phone while driving anyway!
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Heliian » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:14 am

Shut your phone off.

F@cking crybabies.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:02 am

Maynard wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:39 pm
Should his phone have been on during the takeoff roll? Distraction is a detriment to aviation safety, not alerts.
He was busy sending a text on the roll 🙄
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Victory » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:34 am

Heliian wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:14 am
Shut your phone off.

F@cking crybabies.
I don't see how you could think this is a viable solution.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by Heliian » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:54 am

Victory wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:34 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:14 am
Shut your phone off.

F@cking crybabies.
I don't see how you could think this is a viable solution.
Well, there are several ways of avoiding your phone. Turn it off completely, put in airplane mode, put in another room.

If you are expecting a call then I'm sorry you need to have the phone on and near you but in that case, you are expecting to be woken.

Again, this just goes back to anonymous a holes whining about how THEY were inconvenienced. Get over yourselves, try thinking about others for once.
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by DCL415 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:11 am

It doesn't bother me at all, I look at my phone and I got back to sleep. My daughter wakes me up way more times per night than a simple alert that makes my phone buzz.
Don't people have better things to complain about?
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Re: Are Amber Alerts affecting your flight safety?

Post by ant_321 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:21 am

DCL415 wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:11 am
It doesn't bother me at all, I look at my phone and I got back to sleep. My daughter wakes me up way more times per night than a simple alert that makes my phone buzz.
Don't people have better things to complain about?
+1. They’re starting to sound like people who buy a house by an airport and complain about airplane noise.
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