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CATSA “ faith leaders”

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Who makes these ads and who pays for the advertising..

Seems like a political agenda ..
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There is a whole bunch of them with a variety of hobbies or personality desceiptions.

Probably an attempt to humanize security folks. A bit awkward maybe, but I don't see a political angle.
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Muslim? Imam?
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digits_ wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:36 pm
There is a whole bunch of them with a variety of hobbies or personality desceiptions.

Probably an attempt to humanize security folks. A bit awkward maybe, but I don't see a political angle.
Indeed. I mean they tried to make this guy as non-denominational as possible. At first I was thinking snake handler? Nah. Got to be a high priest of Yog-Sothoth. He has all the telltale signs.
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I think whoever said that it’s an attempt to “humanize” the screeners put it better than I did.

I’m tired airport security in general and the illusion of security.

If someone is hellbent on destruction ... the crew on that flight are the last line of defense.. not the “ faith leader” “officers.”

Generally, when I think of Officer I think of police or someone who holds a queens commission.. not a CATSA personnel with fake rank badges.
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Rent a cop.
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rookiepilot wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:22 pm
Rent a cop.
Mall cop...... but then I’ve seen mall cops do more to protect the public by throwing out the junkies and mentally deranged from shopping malls. These guys are more about taking away pilots coffees and passengers toothpaste.
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Seriously. I have ZERO faith that they will make my flight safer, having nothing to do with faith or blah blah.

Zero common sense.
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Inverted2 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:36 pm
rookiepilot wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:22 pm
Rent a cop.
Mall cop...... but then I’ve seen mall cops do more to protect the public by throwing out the junkies and mentally deranged from shopping malls. These guys are more about taking away pilots coffees and passengers toothpaste.
I have infinite more respect for a mall cop than a screener. Most mall cops actually have some sort of security training and have the potential to find themselves in harms way. CATSA employees do a few hours of training on reading an X-ray machine and operating a metal detector and then act as if they are in the front lines of “the war on terror”.
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taking away pilots coffees and passengers toothpaste with a crispy new uniform.
I think if you look in Webster's you will find that is the meaning of "Theatre"
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That's why it's called theatrical security or the illusion of security.

I get most of my crap confiscated on the return trip, be it toothpaste, or otherwise. One of my coworkers (non pilot) has a back pack that he uses for carry-on. One day they found a .22LR (small rim fire bullet) in his bag, they lost their shit! Funny part was that bag has been through security several times already. He hadn't been shooting with that bag in quite a while.
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Just let them do their jobs.

You guys sound like a bunch of crybabies again.

Take it up with the americans if you don't like this level of security.
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Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.

You guys sound like a bunch of crybabies again.

Take it up with the americans if you don't like this level of security.
Thank you for framing it much more calmly than I was going to. The disrespect is astounding. These same complainers would lose their sh*t if an airline president dared utter the words, "Pilots are a necessary evil. FO's are a legal requirement".

Security screeners don't right the rules and SOPs, they're there to do someone else's bidding and nothing more. I've seen far too many examples of flight crew treating screeners like crap, then crying like 2 year olds if a customer dared look at THEM sideways.
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Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.

They are horribly incompetent, poorly trained, and often exceptionally rude without cause.

Among the worst in the world I've seen. (India gives them a run for their money).

It is what it is.

Don't put up stupid posters with "faith leader" on it if you don't want pushback.

Just DO your job.
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rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.
You've sure got the "rookie" part nailed. :roll:
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Capt. Underpants wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:16 am
rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.
You've sure got the "rookie" part nailed. :roll:
Your name seems pretty accurate as well.
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rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.
I'm curious, what do you think their job is?
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digits_ wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:25 am
rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.
I'm curious, what do you think their job is?
To be highly trained security professionals. Not "faith leaders".

My comments are in context of travelling to over 40 countries and seeing how others do it. Canada should be top of the list in excellence and professionalism. I've seen third world countries with better training.

Of course the Trolls come out of the woodwork for anyone who dares to criticize. :roll:

They suck. And I'd had many experiences to back that up. They make the TSA look good. :lol:
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digits_ wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:25 am
rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They don't do their jobs.
I'm curious, what do you think their job is?
Harassing pilots for toothpaste and 'Leatherman' violations while disregarding crash axes and steel cutlery in Business?
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rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They are horribly incompetent, poorly trained, and often exceptionally rude without cause.

Don't put up stupid posters with "faith leader" on it if you don't want pushback.

Just DO your job.
Anyone with even a modicum of capability for critical thought would figure out that a somewhat adversarial approach is a more effective way to weed out the suspicious characters in the crowd than trying to be everyone's friend. The cops don't sing Kumbaya with the suspect before they start the interview. Do you read the emergency checklist in a friendly singing voice, or in a calm, clear and professional tone?
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Capt. Underpants wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:56 am
rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 am
Heliian wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:01 am
Just let them do their jobs.
They are horribly incompetent, poorly trained, and often exceptionally rude without cause.

Don't put up stupid posters with "faith leader" on it if you don't want pushback.

Just DO your job.
Anyone with even a modicum of capability for critical thought would figure out that a somewhat adversarial approach is a more effective way to weed out the suspicious characters in the crowd than trying to be everyone's friend. The cops don't sing Kumbaya with the suspect before they start the interview. Do you read the emergency checklist in a friendly singing voice, or in a calm, clear and professional tone?
This is such a asinine comment.

Check out how the Israeli's handle security. Your claiming CATSA is even anywhere in the same universe?

Of course Israel's approach isn't PC enough for our "Peoplekind" leader.

It's called training. Mall cops have more insight.
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I don't know how people can be so hostile.

It's literally muscle memory for me. Press button - maybe get red - remove coat - take sandwich and bottle of water out of bag - throw everything in pockets in tray - open belt buckle - get wanded - everything's good. Collect effects. Been the same way for almost a decade now.

Takes me like maybe 1 1/2 minutes max.

I don't see what the problem is.

Also, CATSA isn't "Airport Security" - they're primarily involved in passenger/employee screening. The same security contractor may provide security though, but it'll be different employees and contract, usually requiring staff to hold applicable provincial security licenses.
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rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:16 am


Check out how the Israeli's handle security.

Luckily we're not like Israel. jeez, have you seen the state of affairs over there?
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Yeah, no doubt. They literally run the world’s largest penal colony.

I wonder why people live here if they hate Canada so much? Adios.
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Their job is to catch violations the first time, not the 3rd, 4th or 5th time though.

Their job is to apply regulations (theatrics) evenly and in a standardized manner across the country. Not have localized deviances we all notice between different airports.

I will get upset with screeners when they make up rules that are different than everywhere else in Canada, or are obviously talking out their ass.

Maybe they're called faith leaders because they want us to have faith in some higher deity to actually protect us from security threats
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