Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

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Airman or Airperson

Poll runs till Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:42 am

Airman
66
89%
Airperson
8
11%
 
Total votes: 74

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Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:42 am

I got edited/censored by a mod for "LOL"ing it and being off topic in another thread... like all the threads on avcanada always stay on topic.

So let's make it on topic.

Which is it:

Airman?

Airperson?

Spellcheck only flags one... even woke Google returns "airman" when you search "airperson". How long will that last?

Will we have to check NOTAPs before flying soon?

Please refrain from cockpit vs. pussypit discussions, that will be saved for a later poll.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by Maynard » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:49 am

I prefer the cockpit and clitpit...
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by rookiepilot » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:51 am

Can I add a poll on the projected lifespan of this poll?
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:55 am

Maynard wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:49 am
I prefer the cockpit and clitpit...
Please stay on topic.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:59 am

rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:51 am
Can I add a poll on the projected lifespan of this poll?
It's an important discussion completely relevant to our profession, use of common language, and the politician environment we are in today and how it affects us in this industry.

It doesn't violate any terms of use on avcanada.

Deleting the thread would be arbitrary.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by Capt. Underpants » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:14 pm

:roll: How nice that you have nothing legitimate to complain about. :roll:
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by C.W.E. » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:28 pm

I have three separate licenses that allow me to fly aircraft.

Airline Transport Pilot License fixed wing.

Commercial Pilot License Helicopters.

Commercial Gyroplane Pilot License.

Do they now issue Airman and Airperson pilot licenses? :rolleyes:
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by iflyforpie » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:37 pm

Nobody:

Altiplano: How long will it be until we have to say “airperson”?

Reminds me of a discussion south of the border:

“We should enforce the gun laws we already ha—-“

“OMGWTFBBQ tHeRe GuNnA tAKe ArE gUnZ aWaY aNd DeClArE sHaNiA lAw!!!1!!!!!!1!1!!!!”
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Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?

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Post by mantogasrsrwy » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:45 pm

Human or huperson?
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by Liftdump » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:48 pm

AIRHEAD
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by jschnurr » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:06 pm

Coming soon:
Using the throttle to set the personifold pressure...
Setting the switch to personual vs automatic...
Va will be the personeuvering speed...
Checking the number of passengers on the personifest...
All this, of course, will be dictated by personagement...
There's probably persony more, but I can't think of them at the moment :rolleyes:
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:11 pm

iflyforpie wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:37 pm
Nobody:

Altiplano: How long will it be until we have to say “airperson”?

Reminds me of a discussion south of the border:

“We should enforce the gun laws we already ha—-“

“OMGWTFBBQ tHeRe GuNnA tAKe ArE gUnZ aWaY aNd DeClArE sHaNiA lAw!!!1!!!!!!1!1!!!!”
I'm not sure your reference - "Nobody"?

It was used by a poster in another thread - "airpersonship" - to which I "LOL'd" in an non-offensive way, and was subsequently edited and censored by a moderator.

Since it's so obviously contentious, and over the top important that we are inclusive, I thought it must deserve a thread of its own to discuss it.

FAA, ICAO, and other agencies use the term "airmen" widely across correspondence and publications. It is the common language for the past century plus of flight. Does the overriding PC culture of today override that? Are female aviators marginalized by the commonly understood term? Can I still be an "Airman" if that's how I identify?

As for gun laws, in Canada anyway, they certainly are enforced, and now for the sake of cheap political points they're going to have to come take them away from my cold, dead, hands instead of dealing with criminals...

But anyway. Let's stay on topic.

Airman or Airperson.

Manhole or Personhole.

Mankind or Personkind.

Manned flight or Personned flight.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:11 pm

jschnurr wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:06 pm
Coming soon:
Using the throttle to set the personifold pressure...
Setting the switch to personual vs automatic...
Va will be the personeuvering speed...
Checking the number of passengers on the personifest...
All this, of course, will be dictated by personagement...
There's probably persony more, but I can't think of them at the moment :rolleyes:
Good ones!
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:13 pm

Capt. Underpants wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:14 pm
:roll: How nice that you have nothing legitimate to complain about. :roll:
I am not complaining, I'm discussing.

It's a free country, if you don't like it, don't read it.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by rookiepilot » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:37 pm

altiplano wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:11 pm

Airman or Airperson.

Manhole or Personhole.

Mankind or Personkind.

Manned flight or Personned flight.
A real man vs Trudeau?
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by photofly » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:01 pm

I hold an Airman certificate from the FAA.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by C.W.E. » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 pm

by photofly » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:01 pm

I hold an Airman certificate from the FAA
I decided to check my file where I keep my licenses and I'll be damned if I didn't find a temporary Airman Certificate issued by the FAA WP-HNL-FSDO , on the 17th. of Oct. 1994.

So I stand corrected there is an Airman Certificate. :oops:
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by North Shore » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:01 pm

Just for the record, I wasn't the censor!

I suspect that the originator of the term "Airman" didn't intend to imply anything with the suffix ~man - it was simply common usage at the time. Also, as there have been women involved with aviation since pretty much the get-go, I'm sure that they were quite happy to be an 'Airman'. That being said, language changes, social mores change, and so on, so why not switch to a more neutral term such as 'Aviator'?
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Post by C.W.E. » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:16 pm

Along with " Licenses " and " Certificates " there are also " Authorities " issued for flying credentials.

I have one in my collection to fly legally.

Another interesting thing about flying is the most important certificate or approval one must have is your insurance approval, that trumps all the other pieces of paper when it comes to flying.
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Post by C.W.E. » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:16 pm

Along with " Licenses " and " Certificates " there are also " Authorities " issued for flying credentials.

I have one in my collection to fly legally.

Another interesting thing about flying is the most important certificate or approval one must have is your insurance approval, that trumps all the other pieces of paper when it comes to flying.

And for some kinds flying it can be extremely expensive to get.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by altiplano » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:22 pm

It's analogous to Seamen/Sailor, Airmen/Aviator.

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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by photofly » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:32 pm

What’s interesting is that originally pilots were only men, and a woman who flew (of which there are many famous examples) was called an aviatrix.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by corethatthermal » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:33 pm

If we were to ask someone like , oh say Trudeau to "Man up " Would it not be offensive to him? Perhaps "Fem up" would be more to his liking ? ( If he is still using the "feminist" angle to get votes)
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Post by C.W.E. » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:39 pm

If we were to ask someone like , oh say Trudeau to "Man up " Would it not be offensive to him?
He would understand " Light up " far better.
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Re: Airman vs. Airperson Discussion/Poll

Post by CL-Skadoo! » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:20 am

If your company went from a standard operating procedure of calling "positive rate" to calling "positive climb" would your internal circuits overload too? Changes in terminology are actually far less threatening to your well being than you may think. Nothing about you or what you are is under attack here.

If you let this kind of stuff rattle you, the next 20 years are going to be uphill.
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