Autoland in a Piper

[rookiepilot]

Kind of like when a VFR guy in a cirrus wanders into IMC

Do only cirrus pilots do dumb things like that?
Just curious.
Maybe that model incapacitates the brain?

[photofly]

Let's be fair, if you have your seat pushed back and are reading the paper in your Cirrus, or are taking a quick nap, it can be really tricky to spot when you enter IMC.

[firstofficer]

Question. If both or the lone pilot are unconscious due to say a carbon monoxide leak, How will the autoland system activate without some manually activating it?

[TeePeeCreeper]

Question. If both or the lone pilot are unconscious due to say a carbon monoxide leak, How will the autoland system activate without some manually activating it?

The system has periodic prompts that the pilot must follow by acknowledging them. If the pilot doesn’t do that the aircraft assumes pilot incapacitation and will commence a decent to 14,500 feet. Should further prompts still remain unanswered the auto land system will automatically be engaged.

I’m looking forward to trying it myself soon!

Regards,
TPC

[valleyboy]

Technology marches on but what is the reality of this. There will still be the majority of general aviation fly "old" aircraft. Commercial operators will still opt for 2 crew so what percentage of the industry is left.

Full automation and removal of pilots from the flight deck is coming. I see this as part of the movement towards this and it's part of the research and development with very little practical applications at this point in time.

I still maintain all ab initio flight training for the first few hours be done in a NORDO trail dragger before new pilots are introduced to the current tech. Map reading, looking out the window and conventional gear. What a concept.

[Zaibatsu]

I still maintain all ab initio flight training for the first few hours be done in a NORDO trail dragger before new pilots are introduced to the current tech. Map reading, looking out the window and conventional gear. What a concept.

Pfffft. Taildragger. Try tail skids. Or all skids like the Wright Brothers. Better yet, like the Wright Brothers get them to teach themselves. And design and build their own airplane.

Wasn’t it a rudder monkey that put that Airbus into Jamaica Bay in 2001? The same type of rudder monkey tail draggers often make of pilots?

[valleyboy]

Pfffft. Taildragger. Try tail skids. Or all skids like the Wright Brothers. Better yet, like the Wright Brothers get them to teach themselves. And design and build their own airplane.

Wasn’t it a rudder monkey that put that Airbus into Jamaica Bay in 2001? The same type of rudder monkey tail draggers often make of pilots?

Now that is truly entertaining, especially since organizations like ALPA have stated stick and rudder skills (notice the word skills) are the main issue with safety in today's world and surpassing CFIT.

Back to the rudder monkey, why wasn't Airbus called to task for a design flaw since it seems to be the current idea that manufacturers need to protect against any amount of pilot error. The obvious answer is full automation with a button monkey who's only job is to push the big red button and watch. Takes pilot error right out of the sequence of events. Pilots will become redundant and all that will be left is rudder monkeys flying 80 year old aircraft - lol

[Big Pistons Forever]

I guess we should just go ahead and rename the PPL as the "Takeoff Technician" Course

Personally I don't have a problem with the Cirrus chute. I have a reasonable amount of SEP IMC and SEP night time and the idea of having more options when the engine becomes uninterested in further toil is appealing. I think the raging about Cirrus pilots pulling the chute because they are incompetent is over blown. There are a significant number of people alive who IMO would probably not be regardless of how good they were because they pulled the chute.

Cirrus to their credit have by large margin the best GA training program anywhere and Cirrus pilots who have completed the initial and recurrent training are not pulling the chute because they don't know what to do.

However actual instances of pilot incapacitation are very rare and so I really don't like the non verbal subtext to Garmin's announcement. " You don't have to work to be a good IFR pilot, the airplane will save you when you get in over your head"

[youhavecontrol]

I don't really understand all the hate some people have for technology like this and ballistic parachutes. They're brilliant ideas. Do you ever think of what would happen if you took your friend up for a scenic flight and you suddenly fainted? I do... and it's a risk I don't like to think about. It actually happened to a friend of mine who passed-out from food poisoning and luckily his passenger was a student pilot and landed. If I could afford it, that tech would be amazing to have. ..and I can't blame it for being expensive. My stick-and-rudder skills are worthless when I'm incapacitated and so are yours, so I don't understand why we're even talking about pilot skill here.

People shouldn't be sh*t on for developing safer things, nor should they be sh*t on for using it. Miss-use is also not the fault of the technology. You can't blame a fall arrester or it's inventor for making you walk too close to ledges.

[photofly]

It rather depends on the marketing behind the "fall arrestor". If it says on the box "use this device safely to walk much closer to the edge of a ledge than you really should", then, yes, you can blame the company that sells it.

[Meatservo]

I still maintain all ab initio flight training for the first few hours be done in a NORDO trail dragger before new pilots are introduced to the current tech. Map reading, looking out the window and conventional gear. What a concept.

Pfffft. Taildragger. Try tail skids. Or all skids like the Wright Brothers. Better yet, like the Wright Brothers get them to teach themselves. And design and build their own airplane.

Wasn’t it a rudder monkey that put that Airbus into Jamaica Bay in 2001? The same type of rudder monkey tail draggers often make of pilots?

Sorry -I rarely chime in anymore- but what the @#$! is a "rudder monkey"? Surely you're not using LACK of a particular skill on your part as a token of some sort of inverse superiority? That's what it sounds like.

[C.W.E.]

The same type of rudder monkey tail draggers often make of pilots?

He means those who do not understand the importance of controlling yaw with rudder and lose control of a tail wheel airplane during the landing and wreck the thing.

Makes them look like monkeys .

[ayseven]

I just want to add that the most fun i ever had in an airplane, besides loops, was in a Super Cub on floats on the Fraser. No radio, just pure flying. Sorry dont know anything about Cirrus, cause i have no idea what they are.

[goingnowherefast]

Cirrus are high level clouds that a Super Cub certainly doesn't have to contend with

[doiwannabeapilot]

Didn't watch the video, but I'm sure the FOs i fly with are wondering if it has smart screen capability to live stream the approach and check facebook as they listen to tunes on their bluetooth headset?

Can't wait for auto-taxi and auto-takeoff capability.
The aforementioned FOs would turn on the AP at the gate.

[C.W.E.]

When fully automated flight becomes the norm how much safer will it be?