Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:06 am

KenoraPilot wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:05 pm
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Update Rowdy,
There will be a formal PICUS program (not using LTCs) starting in early 2020. Which should help a little bit but still will be slow.
What a mistake that is...

We need a shortage of guys with ATPL’s to drive wages up in the industry.

The company will just hire DEC and/or use the clause in the contract that allows the company to force FO's that have ATPL's into CA seats (with no choice on base and type). Helping out our members attain their ATPL's is the mandate of ALPA. If you think a shortage of ATPL's will force up wages.......you haven't been paying attention
Sorry, but I have to call bullshit. Encore is having a hard enough time attracting DECs, that’s exactly what’s needed at Jazz too. The PICUS program at jazz has always been a joke, just surprised that the union is continuing to make it one of their “top priorities” when it a shortage of qualified captains would actually be a benefit for us all.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Braun » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Honest question, are there any good very low hour pilots or do you feel that you are always « babysitting »?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Inverted2 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:50 am

PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:06 am
KenoraPilot wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:05 pm
PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:09 pm


What a mistake that is...

We need a shortage of guys with ATPL’s to drive wages up in the industry.

The company will just hire DEC and/or use the clause in the contract that allows the company to force FO's that have ATPL's into CA seats (with no choice on base and type). Helping out our members attain their ATPL's is the mandate of ALPA. If you think a shortage of ATPL's will force up wages.......you haven't been paying attention
Sorry, but I have to call bullshit. Encore is having a hard enough time attracting DECs, that’s exactly what’s needed at Jazz too. The PICUS program at jazz has always been a joke, just surprised that the union is continuing to make it one of their “top priorities” when it a shortage of qualified captains would actually be a benefit for us all.
Because when management says jump our union says how high?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Rowdy » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:56 am

The expansion of the PICUS program is a hard sell for me. It solely benefits the company if they don't have to pay LTC's to move their low time, NON ATPL pilots into the left seat or help them off to AC. I'm also heavily against any P2F scheme like the jazz approach. I'm also not a fan of the pathways program.

KP, do you know if there is going to be a pay incentive for the captains who agree to doing PICUS?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by vermont » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:07 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:56 am
The expansion of the PICUS program is a hard sell for me. It solely benefits the company if they don't have to pay LTC's to move their low time, NON ATPL pilots into the left seat or help them off to AC. I'm also heavily against any P2F scheme like the jazz approach. I'm also not a fan of the pathways program.

KP, do you know if there is going to be a pay incentive for the captains who agree to doing PICUS?
What's the issue with pathways? Low experience or something else?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by KenoraPilot » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:45 am

Rowdy wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:56 am
The expansion of the PICUS program is a hard sell for me. It solely benefits the company if they don't have to pay LTC's to move their low time, NON ATPL pilots into the left seat or help them off to AC. I'm also heavily against any P2F scheme like the jazz approach. I'm also not a fan of the pathways program.

KP, do you know if there is going to be a pay incentive for the captains who agree to doing PICUS?
Hey, I do not believe there is a pay incentive, the incentive is to support and help the ALPA membership pilots further their careers and attain their ATPLs. Yes it does help the company, but it also really helps the FO's who are struggling to find the hours for their ATPL. Why shouldn't we assist them?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by rxl » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:09 pm

Braun wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:33 pm
Honest question, are there any good very low hour pilots or do you feel that you are always « babysitting »?
I have flown with many low timers over the last couple of years, and with very few exceptions they are very good at their jobs.
I do not feel at all like a baby sitter.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:28 pm

Free PICUS is a bit is a bit of a hard sell for me. Allows Jazz to continue hiring non-ATPL candidates. If they were forced to hire ATPL pilots, pay might go up for everybody.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by rxl » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:45 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:28 pm
Free PICUS is a bit is a bit of a hard sell for me. Allows Jazz to continue hiring non-ATPL candidates. If they were forced to hire ATPL pilots, pay might go up for everybody.
I’m not sure what the difference is for an LTC doing line indoc vs. PICUS ... should be the same pay.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by flyingcanuck » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:31 pm

rxl wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:45 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:28 pm
Free PICUS is a bit is a bit of a hard sell for me. Allows Jazz to continue hiring non-ATPL candidates. If they were forced to hire ATPL pilots, pay might go up for everybody.
I’m not sure what the difference is for an LTC doing line indoc vs. PICUS ... should be the same pay.
Because PICUS you could have a 1+ year FO who knows what theyre doing vs a guy who has no clue?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Inverted2 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm

I don’t think there will be any non LTC captains signing up to do free PICUS.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Captain Kirkk » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:17 pm

Inverted2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm
I don’t think there will be any non LTC captains signing up to do free PICUS.
Captain Kirk will!

In all seriousness though, they’ll have more than enough guys volunteer. People want to help the young ones exit this dump
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by 47north » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am

Captain Kirkk wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:17 pm
Inverted2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm
I don’t think there will be any non LTC captains signing up to do free PICUS.
Captain Kirk will!

In all seriousness though, they’ll have more than enough guys volunteer. People want to help the young ones exit this dump
Dump? Seriously? If you think it is that bad then please just leave. We don't need people like you around here.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by ACboi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:34 pm

47north wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am
Captain Kirkk wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:17 pm
Inverted2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm
I don’t think there will be any non LTC captains signing up to do free PICUS.
Captain Kirk will!

In all seriousness though, they’ll have more than enough guys volunteer. People want to help the young ones exit this dump
Dump? Seriously? If you think it is that bad then please just leave. We don't need people like you around here.
Seriously? He/she can't voice his/her own freedom of expression? We don't need people like you around here.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Mr. re » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm

47north wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am
Captain Kirkk wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:17 pm
Inverted2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:07 pm
I don’t think there will be any non LTC captains signing up to do free PICUS.
Captain Kirk will!

In all seriousness though, they’ll have more than enough guys volunteer. People want to help the young ones exit this dump
Dump? Seriously? If you think it is that bad then please just leave. We don't need people like you around here.
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Lol, frickin dump. Get outta here boys, save yourselves.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by hithere » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Mr. re wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm
47north wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am
Captain Kirkk wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:17 pm


Captain Kirk will!

In all seriousness though, they’ll have more than enough guys volunteer. People want to help the young ones exit this dump
Dump? Seriously? If you think it is that bad then please just leave. We don't need people like you around here.
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Lol, frickin dump. Get outta here boys, save yourselves.

Capt Kirk,
We all know who you are, the same guy that posted a highly embarrassing(for you no less) YouTube video about(amount others)how much money you were making as a Captain at Jazz. Now all of sudden it’s a dump? WTF is your deal man?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by skypirate88 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:22 pm

hithere wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:09 pm
Mr. re wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm
47north wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am


Dump? Seriously? If you think it is that bad then please just leave. We don't need people like you around here.
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Lol, frickin dump. Get outta here boys, save yourselves.

Capt Kirk,
We all know who you are, the same guy that posted a highly embarrassing(for you no less) YouTube video about(amount others)how much money you were making as a Captain at Jazz. Now all of sudden it’s a dump? WTF is your deal man?

You clearly don't realize that there are 2 posters with similar names. Kirkk and Kirk. Kirk is the Jazz guy, Kirkk is a guy intentionally trying to get guys like yourself worked up.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by hithere » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:28 pm

Of course it’s entirely possible they are the same person with two different handles. It’s happened before
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Canoehead » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:22 am

Captain Kirkk

Just curious when you worked at Jazz?
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by genetic jack hammer » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 am

Word around Jazz is that captianKirk (the mentor guy and youtube one) is going to mainline AC.It makes sense, considering that he's removed his "regional pilot pay" video. I wonder if he's gonna be financially better off, at approximately 50% less than what he was making at Jazz...good luck. Can't wait for your new batch of videos.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Oxi » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:42 am

genetic jack hammer wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 am
Word around Jazz is that captianKirk (the mentor guy and youtube one) is going to mainline AC.It makes sense, considering that he's removed his "regional pilot pay" video. I wonder if he's gonna be financially better off, at approximately 50% less than what he was making at Jazz...good luck. Can't wait for your new batch of videos.
If his AC training goes as well as his RJ upgrade he might be out of a job
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by daedalusx » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Oxi wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:42 am
genetic jack hammer wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 am
Word around Jazz is that captianKirk (the mentor guy and youtube one) is going to mainline AC.It makes sense, considering that he's removed his "regional pilot pay" video. I wonder if he's gonna be financially better off, at approximately 50% less than what he was making at Jazz...good luck. Can't wait for your new batch of videos.
If his AC training goes as well as his RJ upgrade he might be out of a job
Imagine being paired with the MENTOR on your initial sim...
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by speedah » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:25 pm

Oh great.

Is he going to try to mentor people in the flight deck?

I thought the 10% would work!
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by vermont » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:41 am

genetic jack hammer wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:29 am
Word around Jazz is that captianKirk (the mentor guy and youtube one) is going to mainline AC.It makes sense, considering that he's removed his "regional pilot pay" video. I wonder if he's gonna be financially better off, at approximately 50% less than what he was making at Jazz...good luck. Can't wait for your new batch of videos.
Link to the channel?
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