Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

This forum has been developed to discuss aviation related topics.

Moderators: lilfssister, North Shore, ahramin, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, I WAS Birddog

Post Reply
DanWEC
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1675
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Location: 404

Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by DanWEC »

Here's UPS's contract extension.....in USD obviously.

Also, Delta pilots are getting up to 59k in bonuses this year via spontaneous profit sharing. That's money they could have simply kept.
All this amidst the 1500hr/ATPL rules and more restrictive duty regs than we have, that ATAC would claim would decimate our economy rendering us all homeless and toothless within weeks.

Meanwhile, Air Canada has profits in the neighbourhood of 3 BILLION. Up 10% even over last year, contending with the MAX grounding, and a pilot shortage. The shareholders are getting paid out, yet things like flat pay and Jazz's laughable 10 year contract are what we get. Did I mention pilot shortage?

Feeling played yet?
UPS Contract
UPS Contract
FB_IMG_1582081069957.jpg (77.66 KiB) Viewed 2314 times
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
'97 Tercel
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 512
Joined: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:19 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by '97 Tercel »

Image
---------- ADS -----------
  

Kosiw
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 614
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:12 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by Kosiw »

---------- ADS -----------
  
Gravity always wins

Pilotdaddy
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:05 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by Pilotdaddy »

It looks like the right move is to get paid in AC stock.
---------- ADS -----------
  
Attachments
Screenshot_20200219_134731.jpg
Screenshot_20200219_134731.jpg (247.21 KiB) Viewed 2230 times

DanWEC
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1675
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Location: 404

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by DanWEC »

Pilotdaddy wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:48 am
It looks like the right move is to get paid in AC stock.

Indeed.
Calin stated in the last report that over the last 9 years shares have given just over a 3500% return.
I'm kicking myself for not buying earlier but not sure how much higher it can go at this point considering North American economic projections.

Anyhow, I'm really hoping this is still enough leverage for the first couple of years to be deleted from the payscale.
---------- ADS -----------
  

derateNO
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 288
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by derateNO »

Deleted, not just flat pay removed.

I'd love to see 1-4 just go. Gone.. poof. Year 5 becomes the new year 1.

When you hear management starting to talk about how it needs to go (which I've heard) hopefully that means things might be changing.

I wouldn't be surprised if MS is advocating for it to be removed behind closed doors as it would solve his training, WB FO and CA upgrade problems.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Babar350
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 135
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:36 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by Babar350 »

DanWEC wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:04 am
Also, Delta pilots are getting up to 59k in bonuses this year via spontaneous profit sharing. That's money they could have simply kept.
Not true. It is 16% of their salary.
---------- ADS -----------
  

derateNO
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 288
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by derateNO »

He said "up to."

Meaning some of the highest earners will see around that mark.

If you are a year 12 777 FO at Delta or United you are making around $220k USD a year with no OT.

That's $35,000 USD in profit share at Delta at 16%. On top of that, another $35,000 in your pension, fully funded by the company.

Top scale WB CA's at Delta are pulling well into the mid/upper $300k USD/yr mark. Many will see over $50,000 in profit share.
---------- ADS -----------
  

DanWEC
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1675
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Location: 404

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by DanWEC »

Babar350 wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:26 pm
DanWEC wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:04 am
Also, Delta pilots are getting up to 59k in bonuses this year via spontaneous profit sharing. That's money they could have simply kept.
Not true. It is 16% of their salary.
You're right, from what I've just looked up with Delta it's contractual.
I recently read an article about a US major that was voluntarily distributing profit sharing, could have sworn it was Delta but will have to dig it up.
---------- ADS -----------
  

doiwannabeapilot
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 90
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:46 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by doiwannabeapilot »

Yeah, but we Canucks get this guy as our fearless leader !

Gotta scrub my hard drive now.
and take a shower.
feel so icky.
---------- ADS -----------
  
Attachments
JT.png
JT.png (240.86 KiB) Viewed 1883 times

Babar350
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 135
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:36 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by Babar350 »

DanWEC wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:42 pm
Babar350 wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:26 pm
DanWEC wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:04 am
Also, Delta pilots are getting up to 59k in bonuses this year via spontaneous profit sharing. That's money they could have simply kept.
Not true. It is 16% of their salary.
You're right, from what I've just looked up with Delta it's contractual.
I recently read an article about a US major that was voluntarily distributing profit sharing, could have sworn it was Delta but will have to dig it up.
Yea... I guess we have what we deserve...
---------- ADS -----------
  

DanWEC
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1675
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:05 pm
Location: 404

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by DanWEC »

derateNO wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:48 pm
Deleted, not just flat pay removed.

I'd love to see 1-4 just go. Gone.. poof. Year 5 becomes the new year 1.

When you hear management starting to talk about how it needs to go (which I've heard) hopefully that means things might be changing.
That would be the idea. And would ironically just be winding things back to where they used to be before AC added those years to the bottom of the scale, much like Jazz did about 8 years ago. Unbelievable that even recovering from wage suppression would be considered a victory.
Also, I've heard this rumour around... wonder if it actually has some substance.
---------- ADS -----------
  

derateNO
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 288
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by derateNO »

Probably get a bunch of kick back from the Sr Captains saying it's not fair everyone Jr gets such a big raise.
---------- ADS -----------
  

goingnowherefast
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1827
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by goingnowherefast »

Cut the bottom 8 years off the pay scales and add them to the top. Then everybody goes up 8 years, everybody gets a pay raise and everybody is happy.

I hope Cargojet, Morningstar, ACPA and WJ ALPA are noticing this. Actually ALPA in general since UPS isn't with them.
---------- ADS -----------
  

av8ts
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 827
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:31 am

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by av8ts »

Nope, there is no pilot in the US earning enough money to make me envy him/her. I’ll stay here in Canada with my pay. Thanks though.
---------- ADS -----------
  

derateNO
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 288
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by derateNO »

Yeah I'd completely disagree with you on that but to each their own.
---------- ADS -----------
  

altiplano
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 4045
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by altiplano »

Right? In a heartbeat...

Lots of great cities and corners to live in. Nice people, great service, lower cost of living, lower taxes, higher wage, reasonable property prices...

Retire to a nice spot in the mountains, maybe a winter place in the Keys or Carolinas even.

$1000/mo for medical insurance is nothing, particularly since the care you get is actually available and better when you need it. I'd opt out of our dysfunctional universal health care here if I could, in fact thousands of people would, rather than lining up to die when something happens. That isn't a statement against the professionals providing the care, but rather the bureaucrats pissing it away.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
JohnnyHotRocks
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1028
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:18 am

Re: Meanwhile... in the US pilots are still getting paid....

Post by JohnnyHotRocks »

Definitely agree!
---------- ADS -----------
  

Post Reply

Return to “General Comments”