Closing airspace

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Closing airspace

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Has anyone heard that airspace for general aviation is going to be closed.I think this is going to far.I sure hope this is not true.
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What do you know concerning the spread of Corona Virus that the government hasn't been informed of that might change their opinion?
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P180 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:17 pm
Has anyone heard that airspace for general aviation is going to be closed.I think this is going to far.I sure hope this is not true.
What have you heard?
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Nothing like starting a rumour on line, and seeing what happens; right?

The only way to do, what you're "proposing" (as it were) would be implementing the ESCAT Plan (Emergency Security Control of Air Traffic Plan). It's the nuclear option, grounding all non-approved air traffic in Canada. The plan is designed, and it's stated more or less as such in the literature, that this is the sort of thing that "could" be used in times of war. It requires the directive of the Minister of Defence ( possibly requiring an Act of Parliament), the go ahead from the DoD, etc.

Could it happen? Sure. Will it? Unlikely.

Look at how little air traffic there is currently, there's no need to shut down airspace. Bloody fear mongering, and paranoia does no one any favours in times like these.
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Unless Mr. Trudeau invokes "full on" War Measures Act and throws chains on my prop I'll be going fun flying any time the feeling moves me.
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This guy is claiming it... https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airline-ne ... 48431.html
but I’m not quite ready to consider that a reputable source.
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He is NOT a reputable source.
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From COPA's perspective: The COPA National Office has been a part of regular teleconferences with TCCA. There has been no indication that they are going to shut down the airspace or are considering shutting down the airspace. The last call that COPA was on was yesterday so that is pretty recent information.

- Clark Morawetz - COPA Director (Southern Ontario)
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Feigler Faust sells clicks to advertisers. congrats, you just sold him a few clicks
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Strange how anyone would even think this was necessary. I can get in my car, drive to my airport, get in my plane, go for a flight and then go home and not be within 300' of anyone. As I'm driving to the airport though I pass the dog park which is crowded with people who don't seem to give a rip and have walked around the yellow tape saying it's closed.
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NAV CANADA is flush with cash, thanks to the NAV CANADA fees we pay.

Secondly, aircraft (medivacs, air transport, etc.) are an essential service, more essential now than ever before.

There's nothing to worry about here.
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I think this would depend where you live and the kind of GA flying you do.
If you're on the west coast and decide to go VFR in and around the mountains, or over the terrain of Northern Ontario/Quebec/elsewhere, I think that is reckless at this time.

If you want to fly in and around where there are outs and a forced landing is something to "easily" performed, then I don't see a true issue.

The folks at CASARA have absolutely no desire to go rescue anyone right now. Plus, unless you're flying with a family member or housemate, you'll be (or should be) alone in your aircraft.
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A few days ago I saw a C-150, a Husky on amphibs and a Cherokee all do low passes down the runway at YYZ.
Gives you an idea of how busy the airspace isn't.
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DH82EH wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:03 pm
A few days ago I saw a C-150, a Husky on amphibs and a Cherokee all do low passes down the runway at YYZ.
Gives you an idea of how busy the airspace isn't.
So... contest to find the dumbest thing we can do a touch and go with in YYZ?
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Maybe have seen this already... Cessna 150 at YYZ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iqW9TIymqk
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Cessna 150 at YYZ
Well, I admit that it's been about two decades since I've had my 150 into YYZ, but I used to fly in regularly. Before that, I flew two different 172's which were based there (I see that "BOE" still lives on at Brampton). The other lived at the "MOT tiedowns", where the cargo center is now. When I worked for Worldways, I used to fly to work regularly in the 182 from Maple, and park for the day at our hangar. Later, the 310 I flew was based at Field Aviation. Until the early '90's, YYZ was quite GA friendly.

Back in the day, there was runway 10/28 which crossed what was then 24R. Tower would often allow me to depart 28 if 33 and or 24L were in use, as my departure path was away from the airport, and did not conflict with any other departing traffic.
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Used to fly into YYZ quite regularly in 150’s, 172’s to pick up parts from Leaven’s Brothers who, if I recall correctly, were on the north side of Derry Road.
Segments of old runway 10-28 are still in use as taxiways G and P and AG.
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rxl wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:43 am
Used to fly into YYZ quite regularly in 150’s, 172’s to pick up parts from Leaven’s Brothers who, if I recall correctly, were on the north side of Derry Road.
Segments of old runway 10-28 are still in use as taxiways G and P and AG.
I often point out to people who are new to YYZ that "G" taxiway used to be a runway. A taxiway doesn't need to be 200 feet wide :D

I saw people doing low passes. If they did a touch and go, would they be charged a landing fee?
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I assume that they would be charged a landing fee.
I shudder to think how much that would be.
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A few years ago it took me a long time to find this image. Looks like YYZ put in on their twitter a while back. It shows 10/28.
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Last time i landed there it was about 125.00 off hours, but it also had a de icing surcharge (did not need deice in July) and cost 75.00 to open the door at the fbo. that was enough....that was a few years back.
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I was recently going through the logs on a J3C-65. Found a ferry permit dated 1971 to fly it out of YYZ. Could you imagine a Cub lining up there now flying NORDO?
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I got my initial instrument rating doing ILS and touch and goes on rwy 28 in Malton and yes went nordo to the island and Malton in a J3 - YYZ was on a aircraft import and YTZ just for something to do on several occasions, had to stay west of hwy 10 to the lake shore and follow the shore to the island and look for the tower lights. Much fun was had in a nordo cub. :smt040

I was even there when the Beatles came in but they took them off the airport by another exit. I didn't care cuz we were looking for and watching the fainting girls -- haha

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valleyboy wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:44 am
I got my initial instrument rating doing ILS and touch and goes on rwy 28 in Malton and yes went nordo to the island and Malton in a J3 - YYZ was on a aircraft import and YTZ just for something to do on several occasions, had to stay west of hwy 10 to the lake shore and follow the shore to the island and look for the tower lights. Much fun was had in a nordo cub. :smt040

I was even there when the Beatles came in but they took them off the airport by another exit. I didn't care cuz we were looking for and watching the fainting girls -- haha

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I remember see the Avro Arrow there I also got my instrument rating from there also Transports office was in the Millard hanger.Thats a few years back..
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Cool pics. Anyone have any more? Love history....
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