Annoying pilot "friends"

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Annoying pilot "friends"

Post by L1900Edge »

Every single kiss ass "pilot friend" right now:

Hey Buddy! I know its been like 10 years since we talked, but you guys hiring right now?

Where Is the lie?
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I fail to see how trying to put food on the table for ones family makes anyone a “kiss ass” if someone has an angle to play right now I certainly wouldn’t fault them for picking up the phone.
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For the ramp only, 5000 hours and ATPL required. Two year bond for the forklift.
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L1900Edge wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:45 pm
Every single kiss ass "pilot friend" right now:

Hey Buddy! I know its been like 10 years since we talked, but you guys hiring right now?

Where Is the lie?
If it’s been ten years since you heard from them, you are not their friend, you are a contact at best. This industry has a lot to do with who you know, the use of “buddy” in this situation is more like a greeting to an old acquaintance not an actual buddy, slightly more formal than dude or hey man.
Imagine you lost your job and don’t want to be on EI, would you contact old acquaintances and see if it leads to gainful employment, if you say no to that you’re lying to yourself.
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I don’t really see how reaching out to someone you know/knew for info is being a kiss ass. I’ve had plenty of people I haven’t talked to in years inquire about where I work. And a significant part of what got me in the door at my current job was help from a friend of a friend.
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Yes, much better to be rude to everyone you meet. That usually gets you a long ways. It is doubtful the person is looking for a date, just a contact.
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Where Is the lie?
What?
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'97 Tercel wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:49 pm
Where Is the lie?
What?
My thoughts exactly! I have many Pilot "buddies" on social media or on my phone contact list, that I will fire off a random inappropriate meme at an inappropriate time, whom I haven't actually talked to for many years, and wouldn't hesitate to call on if needed.
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Off the top of my head I can think of a dozen pilot "buddies" at half a dozen recession proof companies. It did not occur to me to call them during the current downturn to try to get a job. What would I say? Maybe something like "Hey, I moved on to bigger and better things while for family reasons you stayed in a harder working lesser paid position that was more stable and secure. I'm not current on your aircraft type anymore and I realize that there are 100 other pilots that you haven't heard from in a decade calling you for the same reason but how about helping me because I'm more important than everyone else".

At the same time though, if at any time in the last 10 years any of those pilots needed help I hope they would have called me if there was something I could do regardless of how much time has passed.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that keeping in mind the current situation, the needs of the company in question, and the number of pilots with the exact same or more recent qualifications that you have, if you still feel you have something to offer then it's not verboten to call old contacts. Otherwise maybe consider that dignified behaviour is not as overrated as some here would have you believe.
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There's a difference between someone who's actually your buddy/friend acting like your buddy than someone who you barely know acting as if he's your long lost BFF.

"Hey man, I'm out of a job, any chance you guys are doing any hiring" is different than "Hey dude, long time! Remember that time you lent me your pickup truck when I had to move and I gave you a pack of beer? Haha good times" followed by asking you to hand deliver their resume to the CP messages later.
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Well this thread sure backfired on the OP :rolleyes:
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Funny, I’ve made a bunch of friends recently too. Folks who did all sorts of backstabby crap in the past, no less. The joke’s on them, I’m worse off than they are now.
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Funny, I’ve made a bunch of friends recently too.
That's a tall tale and you know it
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I lend a hand regardless of how much time has passed. I'm always happy to reconnect even if it's simple small chat. And if I can help find a seat, even better. I would hope if I found myself in hard times, those friends and contacts would consider doing the same.

Good luck to everyone weathering the storm. This too shall pass.
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'97 Tercel wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:17 pm
Funny, I’ve made a bunch of friends recently too.
That's a tall tale and you know it
Busted.
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Suck it up, that's how social media operates. That's why I don't have any friends :smt040 I don't use any social media for personal contacts or friends. A word to the wise, looking for a job or dealing with HR, that's first place they look to see if you are not playing silly bugger on social media. +

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There's a difference between someone who's actually your buddy/friend acting like your buddy than someone who you barely know acting as if he's your long lost BFF.

"Hey man, I'm out of a job, any chance you guys are doing any hiring" is different than "Hey dude, long time! Remember that time you lent me your pickup truck when I had to move and I gave you a pack of beer? Haha good times" followed by asking you to hand deliver their resume to the CP messages later.
Plus 1.

I think there are maybe many who agree with the OP, but are not willing to post , and be attacked by the PC crowd, as being insensitive Neanderthals .

From a personal perspective, I have done what I could to help friends get hired. But there is only So much I can do, and I do reserve it for friends, not Acquaintances .
Can be as pleasant and two faced as some.
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Keeping contacts in this industry is the main way that someone can get a job. Showing animosity towards any pilot trying to further themselves in their career is a little arrogant imo. No flying job is 100% stable and if I am in a position to assist a fellow pilot, I see if there is something I can do to help. Not everybody is trying to screw you over.
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laineinaplane wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:54 am
Keeping contacts in this industry is the main way that someone can get a job. Showing animosity towards any pilot trying to further themselves in their career is a little arrogant imo. No flying job is 100% stable and if I am in a position to assist a fellow pilot, I see if there is something I can do to help. Not everybody is trying to screw you over.
Sure, but if you call me "buddy" because we talked for 10 minutes about 5 years ago, you're not going to get much help. Just like showing up at a random company and greeting the chief pilot with "hey dude, you gotta job for me?" isn't going to help you much either. When you refer people to a job, their performance will also reflect on you. If I doubt you'll make a good impression, I won't recommend you or forward your resume. If I don't know you well, then I don't have much information to go on. The way you contact me after 5 years is, in that case, an important indication as to how my colleagues will perceive you.

I'm happy to help most people in any way I can, but I have no obligation to try and help everyone. That being said, I doubt anyone could really help you much in this economy.

GoingVertical is completely right.
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I'm not offended by anyone of my old acquaintances asking me about jobs. I feel privileged to be where I'm at and can't imagine what I'd do or who I'd try to contact if my employment changed. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't try doing the same thing if I was in their shoes. Even if their methods of asking me are rather tactless, I'd gladly give info to someone I enjoyed working with, and withhold info from anyone I didn't enjoy working with, no matter how politely and tactful they approached me, asking about employment.
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Everyone's your friend -- when they want something.
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I've met a lot of great people in my life and have become fast friends with so many, all over the world, that there are people I just don't see anymore. If someone I haven't seen in a decade is looking for some help, they know they can call me anytime. Hell, I'd probably do something nice for someone I don't really like too.

I've never had anyone who's crossed me call me, they already know where that will get them.

I also have friends that I would call without hesitation, even if I hadn't seen them in years, if I was in their neck of the woods or looking for work at their company.

This is how our industry works btw, your reputation precedes you.
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you must live miserable lives. I can't imagine ever being annoyed cause a guy I use to work with talked to me about looking for work. I mean Id hate to waste 5 minutes of the 3 hrs that you're gonna spend watching tik tok. Pilots suck at being people
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Wow. just ... wow.

I know a pilot (Cape Brettoner) who calls everyone he meets “buddy”. Haven’t seen him face to face in 10 years. I wouldn’t throw him under a bus for using the word when reaching out.
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A friend of mine helped me secure an interview at my first flying job and we hadn't spoken to each other for nearly 8 years prior to that except an occasional "hello" on Facebook once every few years. But such is the nature of this industry - it's really easy to lose touch because we all work at different bases & schedules. Life happens! I reached out to him in my time of need anyway but he didn't look at it like "kissing ass" because I wasn't. You simply make relationships that hopefully last you a lifetime even if you don't always get the chance to talk. And how you treat people who need help now might help you down the line in some way.

We're such a small community that's it always best to be nice & respectful of another's needs, even if you can't help them.

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