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Ontario Stay Home Order coming in.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5868797

The province says it is issuing a stay-at-home-order effective Thursday at 12:01 a.m., which will require everyone to remain at home with exceptions for essential purposes, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy, accessing health care services, for exercise or for essential work.

"Our province is in crisis," Premier Doug Ford said.
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And it's going to last a MINIMUM of 28 days.
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I wonder if this means that all the FTU's providing "career training" will finally shutdown, or if they'll continue to remain open. Not saying all of them are, but plenty of FTU's are still providing training in Ontario, while many more are not.
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Heavy Rayn wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:12 pm I wonder if this means that all the FTU's providing "career training" will finally shutdown, or if they'll continue to remain open. Not saying all of them are, but plenty of FTU's are still providing training in Ontario, while many more are not.
From the press release:

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/5992 ... save-lives

“ Effective Thursday, January 14, 2021at 12:01 a.m., the government is issuing a stay-at-home order requiring everyone to remain at home with exceptions for essential purposes, such as going to the grocery store or pharmacy, accessing health care services, for exercise or for essential work.”

I guess it comes down to determine if an FTU is “essential” even if it’s providing CPL/Career training. Even as an airline pilot myself, I wouldn’t call an FTU “essential.”
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Press releases and statements from the Premier are not law.

Once again, this is not a matter of individual opinion or moralizing about "essential" or otherwise. The regulations have specific textual contents (I don't think the word "essential" even appears in them) and if a business falls into one of the permitted categories, it may open.
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photofly wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:32 pm Press releases and statements from the Premier are not law.

Once again, this is not a matter of individual opinion or moralizing about "essential" or otherwise. The regulations have specific textual contents (I don't think the word "essential" even appears in them) and if a business falls into one of the permitted categories, it may open.
This is what is permitted to be open during the Grey/Lockdown period:
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It looks like teaching for a trade is allowed, with restrictions. Does an FTU teaching CPL count as teaching a “trade?”

And would PPL instruction be allowed if it’s for someone pursuing a career as a pilot, as opposed to a PPL doing it for recreation?
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So 2 options here. As stated above, educational purposes. Second would be "transportation sector".

In my opinion, ppl related training would not qualify, cpl and any other commercial proficiency/upgrades would.

So, if you really want to continue your ppl training then you would need to sign up for the commercial package now and just drop down to ppl in a month or two.
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"Post secondary institution" is a defined term in the legislation. Most FTU's do not meet the definition of a Post-secondary institution. I told you - you have to read the legislation. You can't look at summaries, press releases, slides, or other media piffle-paffle. Read the legislation. Each business will make its decision based on the legislation.

A more significant impediment, now that a state of emergency is in effect, is that travel restrictions may prevent students from travelling to an airport. However - as I said - it's necessary to read the text of the regulations, to see. At this point in time, these regulations have not been published.
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I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
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DadoBlade wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
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DadoBlade wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
Thanks for that. Was there a point?
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I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?
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Heavy Rayn wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:16 pm I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?
If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.
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DadoBlade wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.
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tsgarp wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:21 pm
Heavy Rayn wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:16 pm I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?
If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.
My concern is freelancing wouldn’t fall under the “post secondary institution” on the chart provided in the comments above. I’m the one offering the instruction, I’m unsure of whether to continue or hold off for a few weeks based on these new restrictions.
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Heavy Rayn wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:33 pm
tsgarp wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:21 pm
Heavy Rayn wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:16 pm I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?
If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.
My concern is freelancing wouldn’t fall under the “post secondary institution” on the chart provided in the comments above. I’m the one offering the instruction, I’m unsure of whether to continue or hold off for a few weeks based on these new restrictions.
It does list "Trades" training which is what flying is.
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Thanks Trudeau.
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Won’t change any of my habits. I don’t go out and socialize much but if I do visit family there’s always a Walmart ahead somewhere and a pilot uniform in the back. 8)
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tsgarp wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:23 pm
DadoBlade wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.
Someday? You and many others already think that. What you haven’t said, or obviously considered, is why anyone aside from an enemy would want to exploit anything to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class.
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Rockie wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:54 pm
tsgarp wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:23 pm
DadoBlade wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:07 pm I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..
Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.
Someday? You and many others already think that. What you haven’t said, or obviously considered, is why anyone aside from an enemy would want to exploit anything to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class.
Do you really think the political elite are your friends or are going to be hurt all that much by this?
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