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#26 Post by co-joe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:33 pm

TG wrote:I had the same gentle argument with one TC inspector in mid 90's.
It was up to us but he recommended to fill the aircraf's logbook with "blue" ink.
And when I asked why, his only answer was:

"You can see the difference between entries and black lines of the logbook"

I guess he was reffering the possiblility of having someone writting too wide and overlapping lines.

:|

You laugh but as someone who frequently does paperwork while flying I sometimes find it difficult to stay within the lines perfectly. And I do find that since the lines are black, blue ink is easier to read.
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Re: ink argument

#27 Post by tohellnback » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:02 pm

i did a entry in red once and QA came down on me like a ton of bricks
i responded to him and said it was the only pen i could find after a 16 hour shift fixing a airplane that was dispatched at 6 am
and the worse thing about it was someone switched the black pen to to a red insert
nowa days i have a red outer pen with a black insert it keeps assholes from stealing my pens
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Re: ink argument

#28 Post by FADEC » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:28 pm

Back in the 1970's, a certain large Canadian airline had a Captain who was "interesting".

He would only sign the Logbook and Flight Plan after flights, and only in Pencil.

I personally witnessed this (and other) quirks.

One theory was that he was deathly afraid of flying and making errors, and thought that in the event of an investigation, he could erase the signatures and claim he was not on that aeroplane!

Said company had to alter the relevant operations manual to specify that Flight Plans and Logbooks had to be signed prior to the flight and in Pen!

At that time and at that airline, the only acceptable colour of ink was Black; for reasons of photocopying clarity.
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Re: ink argument

#29 Post by Addicted4life » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:42 am

My understanding is that in Canada black ink is preferred but not dictated by CARS. The FAA on the other hand is completely different. The FARs actually states BLACK ink and a specific date sequence (been a while I don't remember the sequence). If you do not do it as per the FARs you get your paperwork returned as invalid. They might have changed the FARs since I did my A&P exams but I doubt it.
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Re: ink argument

#30 Post by Sidebar » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:57 am

Wow! How did this get dredged up? All the things in aviation to be concerned about and people are wondering about the colour of ink in a logbook?

I examine all kinds of logbooks as part of my job, and I appreciate the "clear and legible" guidance. I can't recall ever even thinking about what colour the ink was.

When I make copies of the logbooks, the colour copier reproduces everything, red stamps, even yellow and pink stickies.
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Re: ink argument

#31 Post by B208 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:05 am

Black Pens Matter.
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Re: ink argument

#32 Post by lownslow » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:13 am

Addicted4life wrote:The FARs actually states...a specific date sequence (been a while I don't remember the sequence).
Probably YYYY/MM/DD, the ICAO standard. Actually now that I think about it the FAA probably does anything BUT that, decades after insisting ICAO standardize to what they use now.
Sidebar wrote:Wow! How did this get dredged up? All the things in aviation to be concerned about and people are wondering about the colour of ink in a logbook?
This is a good sign. Aviation has become easy and routine to the point where we need to find subjects like these to satisfy the traditional bitchy nature of the average pilot. Gotta be unhappy about something, right?
B208 wrote:Black Pens Matter.
I had to read that one twice. It's way past my coffee time.
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Re: ink argument

#33 Post by NotDirty! » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:58 am

lownslow wrote:
B208 wrote:Black Pens Matter.
I had to read that one twice. It's way past my coffee time.
I believe the better response is:
The Black Pen is Mightier!

So who searches through 11-year-old threads to make these arguments?
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Re: ink argument

#34 Post by confusedalot » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:47 pm

From 1976 to 1995, I used blue. Then I got an expat job. Then I was told that black was some sort of international standard! :lol:

It was not worth getting into a pissing contest. So I have used black ever since.

Then, I was asked why I used black.... :lol: :lol:

Do what the big boss tells you to do and yer cool....

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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