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The Captain has no authority

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To all of you pilots who fly around with a non PPC qualified co-pilot; do you know that that if that person “freaks out” becomes temporarily insane and try to wrestle the controls away from you in flight becomes the authority of that aircraft? Do you know that your duty and responsibility as the Captain will therefore be removed?
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Post by corn-shoot »

Cripes, that post makes as much sense as this does:

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
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WTF, over!
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Post by North Shore »

Troll? Eric - your message might come across clearly if it was constructed with better grammar.
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CRAZY CO-PILOT

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Eric

I just got to respond to this Eric, as it appears that you have missed the bigger picture. The PPC requirement may be regulatory in nature, but the Captain of an aircraft in flight holds the authority of a Peace Officer under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Definition under the Criminal Code:
"peace officer" includes

(c) a police officer, police constable, bailiff, constable, or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace or for the service or execution of civil process,

(f) the pilot in command of an aircraft

(i) registered in Canada under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act,

while the aircraft is in flight,


A mentally unstable Co-pilot, Steward, or passenger, would not be "recognized by law" to have the authority of Pilot in Command of an Aircraft. The law allows the "pilot in command" (Captain) to arrest, that person under the Mental Health Act, Criminal Code,and Aeronautics Act (Endangering and Aircraft) and to use whatever reasonable force is necessary to carry out that arrest.

Taking an aircraft over by force, does not give that person "legal standing"
under the laws or regulations of Canada.

Got 29 years in the RCMP, and hope to God that there is some common sense left in the system, if we look hard enough.

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Post by chewsta »

"peace officer" includes

(a) a mayor, warden, reeve, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff's officer and justice of the peace,

That the mayor is a peace officer is a bit scary....
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Post by IFR Pilot »

eric... no.

Read "The Legal Status of the Canadian Aircraft Commander" and you will understand the responsibilities of the PIC.
If someone freaks out that does not make them the authority; such a situation out of the PIC's control makes that individual an issue regardless wether they hold a PPC or not...
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Post by Red1 »

badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom badger................oh the insanity
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Post by Bcn-In-Bnd »

Horseman,
Thanks for the good info.
I thought a PIC had some authority but I did not think it was that good.
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Ya, but can we perform weddings?????????
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I dare you to give it a try. 8)
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....go real crazy and do a wedding for A gay couple.
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Even crazier....A Gay pilot couple... :mrgreen:
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Post by Ralliart »

corn-shoot i've been badger watching this badger video badger for about an badger hour now and i'm badger still waiting badger for some kind of badger plot or outcome badger what gives??
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Post by rtpilot »

badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom badger................Thanks! Now I', gonna be singing that stupid song all day! :evil: badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom badger................my fragile little mind!
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<b>BIIIIIIIG SNAAAAKE!!!!</b> :mrgreen:
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Griffon wrote:<b>BIIIIIIIG SNAAAAKE!!!!</b> :mrgreen:
Thanks for noticing... :mrgreen:
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Post by wollypilot »

badgers are pretty good dancers.

Cheers, wp.
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Post by oldtimer »

If somebody freaks out and tries to take control of the airplane, you, as pilot in command have the right to subdue the pric---- sorry, individual using as much force as required. But then squawk 7500 and taxi in with the flaps down. But in this crazy world with the idio--- sorry, people in charge of national or homeland security, wait until you are on final for the squawk for fear some pric--- pilot in an F 16 tries to blast you out of the sky.
Reminds me of a snipit of a TV program from Down Under where Paul Hogan (Crocodile Dundee) was a fireman tasked with getting a cat out of a tree. So he got a gun and shot it out of the tree.
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Re: CRAZY CO-PILOT

Post by eric »

RCMP said no criminal offence here! The crown was unwilling to prosecute!
The passengers made statement to support my concerns. The co-plilot was not PPC'd and therfere not accountable.
The Canadian Labour Department ruled that the co-pilot had the right
to do what he wanted to do. He was scared.
I got the mark on my lincence.

Eric

[quote="Horseman"]Eric

I just got to respond to this Eric, as it appears that you have missed the bigger picture. The PPC requirement may be regulatory in nature, but the Captain of an aircraft in flight holds the authority of a Peace Officer under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Definition under the Criminal Code:
[i]"peace officer" includes

(c) a police officer, police constable, bailiff, constable, or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace or for the service or execution of civil process,

(f) the pilot in command of an aircraft

(i) registered in Canada under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act,

while the aircraft is in flight, [/i]

A mentally unstable Co-pilot, Steward, or passenger, would not be "recognized by law" to have the authority of Pilot in Command of an Aircraft. The law allows the "pilot in command" (Captain) to arrest, that person under the Mental Health Act, Criminal Code,and Aeronautics Act (Endangering and Aircraft) and to use whatever reasonable force is necessary to carry out that arrest.

Taking an aircraft over by force, does not give that person "legal standing"
under the laws or regulations of Canada.

Got 29 years in the RCMP, and hope to God that there is some common sense left in the system, if we look hard enough.

Horseman[/quote]
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