NDB decommission

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rule911 · #1 Post by **rule911** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:15 am

Good day...

About 6 months ago, I found a printed list from somewhere outlining the decommission of NDB's by the FAA and Nav Canada. Starting June 2005, the FAA has started decommissing them, and starting in July I believe, Nav Canada is starting to decommission them. By 2010, there will be none.

AIC 14 April 05 states that they are decommissing them... but there is not the list...

Do anybody know where I can find something in print about NDB's decommissing in Canada...

Cheers

just curious · #2 Post by **just curious** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:38 pm

I don't miss marker beacons, I don't miss radio ranges, I don't miss, Omega or Loran. Goodbye NDB's. Good riddance. Twighlight effect, costal effect, nfg in thunderstorms... bah!!!

lilfssister · #3 Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:42 pm

The ones that are done are buried in this list somewhere:

http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefiniti ... ule_en.pdf

lilfssister · #4 Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:44 pm

The whole plan is in here:

http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefiniti ... lts_en.pdf

cyyz · #5 Post by **cyyz** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:16 pm

SO, are we gonna be paying LESS, with LESS SERVICES being offered???

Rhetorical..

Panic · #6 Post by **Panic** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:38 pm

cyyz wrote:SO, are we gonna be paying LESS, with LESS SERVICES being offered???

Rhetorical..

Why frustrate yourself by asking that question?

cyyz · #7 Post by **cyyz** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:41 pm

Venting...

Bad to let things stay in and then you'll have an anurism(sp) one day... So, Shout shout. Let it all out. =)

lilfssister · #8 Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:43 pm

An announcement yesterday or day before removing some levels of management...supposedly we're cutting costs as well as NDB's?

cyyz · #9 Post by **cyyz** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:46 pm

lilfssister wrote:An announcement yesterday or day before removing some levels of management...supposedly we're cutting costs as well as NDB's?

Any of those saving going to be passed on to the consumer? NVM, the top execs will take a bonus, for their "savings."

lilfssister · #10 Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:01 pm

I doubt it cyyz. It's more to do with traffic falling below expected numbers and high pension costs, so it's more to retain the staus quo than cut costs to the customers.

. ._ · #11 Post by **. ._** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:33 pm

Another thing to blame on the Baby Boomers! I'll put that in my arsenal...

To paraphrase Homer Simpson, "Boomers- the cause of, and solution to all of life's problems..."

-istp

bizjet_mania · #12 Post by **bizjet_mania** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:57 pm

Isnt the FAA also starting to decomission VOR?

cyyz · #13 Post by **cyyz** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:12 pm

bizjet_mania wrote:Isnt the FAA also starting to decomission VOR?

So how are flight schools gonna teach IFR when that's all they have, vor and ndb tools, yeah yeah, brampton with its katana with GPS...

costermonger · #14 Post by **costermonger** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:15 pm

Well, they've decommissioned two VOR's, but they're calling it cost savings because they were both shut down for airport construction and then it was decided not to bring them back online. I don't think it's quite the same idea as decommissioning VOR's as a matter of policy.

Jet Dog · #15 Post by **Jet Dog** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:15 am

I heard GPS will be decommisioned by 2017, back to the ole compass and map and DR

Tango01 · #16 Post by **Tango01** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:28 am

They should install a VOR facility for every NDB they remove.... (like its gonna happen)

Hedley · #17 Post by **Hedley** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:19 pm

You know they're desperate when they start decommissioning NDBs ... they're about as complicated (and expensive) as two tin cans and a string.

Doc · #18 Post by **Doc** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:49 pm

Now that 580 in the 'peg has gone to FM, I have no use for an ADF. Now, a DVD player hooked into the CRT would be welcome!

. ._ · #19 Post by **. ._** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:23 pm

Is an AM radio antenna that expensive to maintain?

-istp

oldtimer · #20 Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:06 pm

I guess what Nav Canada is saying is that it is time everone got into the 21st century and bought a CERTIFIED GPS. Much, much better than an ancient old ADF. Shit those things were obsolete when I learned how to fly in the '60s. The GPS is so much more accurate. I have alays claimed the only advantage to an ADF is that it is cheap.

North Shore · #21 Post by **North Shore** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:33 pm

Funny thing, though, is that the left hand at NavCan doesn't know what the right is doing: The current CAP3 has an NDB approach for Gimli, MB published in it - that's predicated upon an decommissioned NDB

linecrew · #22 Post by **linecrew** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:10 am

North Shore wrote:Funny thing, though, is that the left hand at NavCan doesn't know what the right is doing: The current CAP3 has an NDB approach for Gimli, MB published in it - that's predicated upon an decommissioned NDB

That's a no brainer...it obviously got decomissioned between the April 13 CAP 3 and the next issue. My June 8th CAP 3 has the approach pulled out of it. I guess it drives home the importance of checking NOTAM's...although I'm surprised they don't mention the approach, just the NDB being nixed.