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The tide is turning.

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Reading the help wanted forum here looks like the tide is turning for pilots once again.

The best indication of a pilot shortage is when they do not demand a PPC.

Also the float plane operators seem to be running out of experienced pilots, now that is another matter and may be quite serious for some operators.

The PPC thing is just a money problem, lack of experienced float plane pilots is something that is far more serious safety wise.

Hell I may even consider some part time float plane flying for the right coin. :mrgreen:
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I was talking with an operator earlier today regarding an E110 right seat position. No bond, no contract, no need for a PPC nor paying for one. Contract comes later when you upgrade to left seat.

No doubts, things have changed.
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What a great time for the fresh graduates to start looking for work.. Get your Papers in order and get that job!! NOW!!!
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It's about friggin' time eh
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A friend of mine was recently offered a corporate job...they told him that there was a bond...he said, sorry, can't do that...then they said, Ok...no bond....they offered him $75Gs....he said, "I just got a call from ABCD Airlines"...they said, Ok...how about $90Gs...he said "no thanks" and took the airline job that same day.....things are definitely looking up....
Now is the time to say "no" to pay for training, training bonds and working for peanuts!...who knows how long it will last!
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Cat Driver wrote: Hell I may even consider some part time float plane flying for the right coin. :mrgreen:
Sorry Cat, you can't with that Private License of yours!! :lol:

I did see something about a PBY for sale in Nanimo though. You don't need a commercial license to hold an OC. Maybe you should apply! :wink:
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Hey Cat you would fly floats out here just for the love of it at the right place:-)
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no pigboat tho, been ahwile since one was operated out here
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Blakey, the Cat is parked on the lot where I am located here in Nanaimo and it will be a long time before anyone gets it airworthy....

.......I won't be a private pilot much longer because one of my former commitments has to be kept, I just received a phone call a few days ago that I have to go back to Africa somewhere around July so I will be geting my medical renewed....but I have been a private pilot for 5 months......

Being a private pilot did not make me feel inferior at all ...it just meant I did not have to get an expensive medical.
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" Hey Cat you would fly floats out here just for the love of it at the right place:-) "

duCapo, I'm a whore and whores always charge, we are to practical and not naive enough to do it for love. :mrgreen:

The last time I did something by claiming it was for love I ended up at the VD clinic.

The Africa thing is not only lucrative but interesting and I have a lot of friends there.

Now if your operation was here in my area, sure I would do some part time flying if you would do all the paper work for TC, I'm far to disinterested to go through all the B.S. exams.


The way I figure it I managed to survive for over half a century driving aircraft so another few hours is unlikely to kill me.
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A friend of mine was recently offered a corporate job...they told him that there was a bond...he said, sorry, can't do that...then they said, Ok...no bond....they offered him $75Gs....he said, "I just got a call from ABCD Airlines"...they said, Ok...how about $90Gs...he said "no thanks" and took the airline job that same day.....things are definitely looking up....
Now is the time to say "no" to pay for training, training bonds and working for peanuts!...who knows how long it will last!
I sent out some resumes and had 3 interviews and job offers in no time. Companies are getting really desperate and AC, Jazz and WJ still have a lot of hiring to do. I'd like to see what it will be like 6 months from now.
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Prospect what kind of time do you have?
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Now is the time to say "no" to pay for training, training bonds and working for peanuts!

Sad commentary. There should never be a time when it is acceptable to pay for your job or work for peanuts. Pilots that did that when times where tough only made it tougher for everyone else. F$%^ING SCUMBAGS.

As far as bonds go, I really don't have a problem committing to an employer for a reasonable amount of time if they are investing significant $$ in training me up. So long as they do not expect any cash from me to be posted up front. Too many pilots take the training and walk away, sometimes immediately after the training is complete. MORE F$%^ING SCUMBAGS.

Good times or bad, be a man/woman of your word and demand proper compensation for your efforts. We'd all be much better off if the scumbags among us were run out of the industry.

I feel better now.
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I agree that there is never a time to pay for training, etc, but NOW there is definitely NO EXCUSE for it...DONT DO IT!
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In the jobs ads, it seems it's always the same companies looking for drivers for the SAME positions they had ads for a month ago.

Is it because they couldn't fill the positions of there is already movement?

Whatever the case may be, as long as Jazz, AC and Westjet keep hiring, there will continue to be a good turnover at the lower levels.
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Post by Orsen Madjeans »

It may be that the hiring will go on for some time as the people from the late sixties and through the seventies booms retire. There will likely be some checks in the trend due to world events that we all know will happen. AC will probably have a feigned downturn around the time that the employee paycuts snap back in '09.
I have seen many cycles in this business and human nature being what it is we always think that the good times will last forever. They won't but they'll be back.
In the meantime, get where you can, don't compromise your principles or harm your brother/sister by giving it away cheap.
We need to keep together on this.
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A lawyer friend(tax specialist) told me training bonds are a crock of shit as the tax laws are quite favourable to a business(especially start up with new equipment no matter when introduced) and much is written off by said company. Training bonds is another source of income to them no matter which way you cut it :x
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote:A friend of mine was recently offered a corporate job...they told him that there was a bond...he said, sorry, can't do that...then they said, Ok...no bond....they offered him $75Gs....he said, "I just got a call from ABCD Airlines"...they said, Ok...how about $90Gs...he said "no thanks" and took the airline job that same day.....things are definitely looking up....
Now is the time to say "no" to pay for training, training bonds and working for peanuts!...who knows how long it will last!
I am just curious... Which airline pays so much to start that makes working for "$90Gs peanuts?"
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Post by JohnnyHotRocks »

I didn't mean that 90g's was peanuts...I meant that other operators (ie VAL and others) are paying peanuts...

He went to Porter and is making less than 90g's but he wanted the "airline life" instead of the "corporate life"
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Post by gr8gazu »

My mistake JHR,

Sorry :wink:
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