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-----Original Message-----
From: Kirsten Stevens
Sent: May 1, 2008 8:52 PM
To: Preuss, Merlin; Terry Burtch
Cc: Nowzek, David; Bill Yearwood
Subject: National Compassionate Assistance Program


Attention:

Terry Burtch, Director General, Investigation Operations, TSB
Merlin Preuss, Director General, Civil Aviation, TC

Dear Sirs,

It has recently come to my attention that several years ago a process was begun to begin a "National Compassionate Assistance Program (NCAP)" in support of the families of aviation accident victims. We understand that this came about as the result of the involvement of a family member in the investigation of the TSB file #A98Q0114 and this families' their dissapointment with the process.

As you are aware, the families of the five men lost with aircraft mark C-GAQW on February 28, 2005 (A05P0039) have been dissatisfied with both communication and action on the parts of, and between, official investigators. As a result of our continued activities and advocacy, we have been contacted by the families of several other victims, whose experiences, dissatisfaction, and extended grief have been similar to our own.

At this time we would like to ask at what stage this program now stands, and to call for it's immediate inception.

We look forward to your prompt response.


Respectfully,

Kirsten Stevens
On Behalf of the Feast, Bedard/MacDonald, Decock and Stevens families'
----- Original Message -----
From: Preuss, Merlin
To: Kirsten Stevens ; Terry Burtch
Cc: Nowzek, David ; Bill Yearwood ; CAIRS / SSQAC_National
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: National Compassionate Assistance Program


I'm not aware of this program; however, I'll look into it from the Transport Canada perspective. (see attachment?!!!)

Merlin Preuss
Director General/Directeur général
Civil Aviation/Aviation civile
Tel 613-990-1322/Cell 613-286-9153
preussm@tc.gc.ca
Place de Ville, 330 rue Sparks Street
Ottawa, ON, K1A 0N8
From: Kirsten Stevens
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:22 PM
To: Burtch, Terry
Subject: Questions and Follow-up



Dear Mr. Burtch,

Would you kindly confirm for me that you have received, and that you are responding to my email dated March 4, 2008 and titled "Investigation of Workplace Deaths".

I also sent an email on the 1st of May, 2008 titled "National Compassionate Assistance Program". Would you please confirm that you have received this email and that a response is forthcoming.

Respectfully,

Kirsten Stevens
----- Original Message -----
From: Burtch, Terry
To: Kirsten Stevens
Cc: McDonald, Gerard ; Clitsome, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Questions and Follow-up


Good afternoon, Mrs. Stevens. I have been on sick leave since last October, and have assumed that my ``Out of Office`` message would be visible to all incoming senders of e-mail. As of November 1, 2007, due to my extended absence, we decided that my organization would be restructured, so that my staff no longer report to my position. The Director of Investigations,Air (who is now Mr. Mark Clitsome) now reports directly to our Executive Director, Mr. Gerard McDonald.

That being said, I do occasionally check my office e-mail, and can confirm that I received both messages mentioned. Given the new internal reporting structure, I forwarded the May 1st letter to Mr. McDonald`s office and Mr. Clitsome for their information and further action. I also received the earlier correspondence regarding investigation of workplace deaths, which I presumed was for information only. I will forward to Mr. McDonald for his information as well.

I regret any concern this may have caused, but trust that you will understand the circumstances involved.

Sincerely,

Terry Burtch, P. Eng.

Note: I had the attachment in hand when Preuss' response was received.
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Ok... but if Mr. Burtch was on his deathbead, and given the new internal reporting structure then why did Merlin copy him on his response to you?

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From: Preuss, Merlin
To: Kirsten Stevens ; Terry Burtch
Cc: Nowzek, David ; Bill Yearwood ; CAIRS / SSQAC_National
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: National Compassionate Assistance Program

Does he not know the status of his own staff? And if he does, wouldn't it be prudent and courteous for him to advise you of Mr. Burtch's replacement?

Did I miss something???
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Never mind. I see that Mr. Burtch is listed as Director General, Investigation Operations with the TSB. That is a current listing btw...

But shame on Mr. Preuss anyway for his "amnesia". Like I guess he forgot signing the letter about the NCAP?!
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My point in posting the correspondence with Burtch was to underscore the poor communication and the way every time I ask anyone a question, it gets waylayed and obfuscated. The March 4th email referred to can be found here: http://www.avcanada.ca//forums2/viewtop ... er#p390003

I asked a very clear question of four different government agencies. You've seen the response from the TSB and TC (in the above thread). The Minister of Labour has not so much as acknowledged the correspondence, and Worksafe BC simply reiterated that it was not their responsibility.

As for Mr. Preuss, not only did he sign the Memorandum to the Minister about the NCAP, but he also attended a meeting with Mrs. Abramson in which the NCAP was discussed. She wrote a letter to him thanking him. Tomorrow is his last day to respond according to the CAIRS - #DD-5225.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Civil Aviation Issues Reporting System File Number DD-5225


Dear Mrs. Stevens:

I am writing to you with regards to your Civil Aviation Issues Reporting System (CAIRS) file no. DD-5225. Please be advised that there has been a request for a short extension on your file and the new due date for your response is June 13, 2008.

Transport Canada's CAIRS has put in place a response time of 20 working days for all submissions. While we do attempt to meet the 20 working day response time, I would advise that it is a guideline and depending on the nature of the submission it is not always a possibility to meet. Due to the complexity of your submission it was felt that, in order to accurately address your concerns, extra time would be required to coordinate your response. For this reason an extension was granted on your file.

In the meantime, should you have any questions or if I can be of any other assistance to you in this matter please do not hesitate to contact me via e-mail at cairs_ncr@tc.gc.ca.

Sincerely,



Kelsey Lamb
Report Coordinator (CAIRS)
Management Services| Civil Aviation | Transport Canada

Coordonnatrice des signalements (SSQAC)
Services de gestion| Aviation civile | Transports Canada

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Thank you petpad, some of that is new information for me. I did, in fact, recently make contact with Ms. Abramson. I hope that she will be able to share information with me.

In other workplace accidents, provincially regulated ones, the OH&S/WCB folk are trained to deal with greiving families. Their mandate includes supervision, accident investigation and oversight of OH&S. They are (usually) very good about keeping greiving families in the loop. My experiences and discussions with other families make it clear that there needs to be something in place to improve communication between the many agencies involved and with interest in aviation accidents, and with the family members or workers themselves.

Best scenario, in my considered opinion, would be to allow the WCB's to be actively involved in the investigations, which might then allow for them to consider fines and increased premiums (and recover some of their costs for compensation) - for which, so far as I can tell, they do not currently have the ability. Transports conversion to SMS seems to be resulting in fewer repercussions for (serious) safety issues, which means lessons may not be learned.
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I believe that this is the equivalent program in the United States:

NTSB - Transportation Disaster Assistance

Also some more info here:

National Air Disaster Alliance/Foundation
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Yes, I think what I envision does go beyond the intent of the NCAP, although I suspect that Ms. Abramson would agree with my additional concerns.

The responsibility for investigation, recommendations, oversight and communication with the families would normally fall to the provincial OHS/WCB. But with aviation, that responsibility is split between TSB and TCCA, with no one taking responsibility for inter-agency communication. If the TSB does not examine operational factors (and it often does not, while the OHS/WCB does), and TCCA does not disclose how they have examined operational factors and/or applied sanctions for negligence (as the OHS/WCB does), or if neither agency take into consideration relevent information provided by survivors representing their loved ones (all compounded further when the TSB makes recommendations which are all but ignored by TC), then not only is a crucial step in the healing process missed, but the other interested agencies (OHS/WCB, RCMP, Coroner, etc) may not get the information they need to make recommendations pursuant to their mandates. Let's not forget that pilots aren't the only workers that are lost in aviation accidents - and TCCA has no mandate to investigate for their safety, and nor do the WCBs (who does???). The lessons are not learned, and the tragedy is compounded by lack of resolution and the feeling that a treasured life was wasted.
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----- Original Message -----
From: McDonald, Gerard
To: Kirsten Stevens
Cc: Clitsome, Mark ; Yearwood, Bill
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Follow-up: NCAP


Dear Mrs. Stevens

I am responding to your request for information regarding a "National Compassionate Assistance Program (NCAP)".

You are correct that as a result of the involvement of a family member in the investigation of the TSB file #A98Q0114, the idea of a “Compassionate Assistance Program" was discussed. After many discussions and meetings, it was decided that the TSB was not the best organization to develop this program since there are other programs available for grieving families.

Instead the TSB developed a policy on the dissemination of occurrence information to Families, Loved ones, and Survivors (FLS). The purpose of this policy is to provide timely, factual, contextual information about the investigation process, activities, and progress of on-going investigations, to families and loved ones of fatally injured persons, and survivors (FLS), as appropriate to their needs and the circumstances of the occurrence investigation. It is my understanding that the Investigator in Charge and the TSB Pacific Regional Manager have been keeping you informed with the factual information regarding occurrence # A05P0039.

Please find attached a copy of the TSB Policy on Occurrence Information Dissemination to Families, Loved ones, and Survivors (FLS).

Gerard McDonald

Executive Director
From: Kirsten Stevens
To: McDonald, Gerard
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Follow-up: NCAP


Dear Mr. McDonald

Once again, thank you for your response to my inquiries with respect to the NCAP. As you have advised me that the TSB has instead developed the FLS program, I would like to take the time to state emphatically that this program did not work for the families of those lost with C-GAQW. As a representative of the families of all five men on board, I can speak with authority.

I note that the document you have sent with respect to the FLS indicates that a Post-Investigation Evaluation is normally done following the release of the TSB’s final report. Although this accident will not have a final report (unless you advise differently in your response to my email dated June 2nd, 2008), I would like to formally request that an evaluation and lessons-learned report of the FLS in respect of A05P0039 be completed in consideration of the following information.

To begin with I shall clarify for you whom the primary contact should have been for each person on board the aircraft.

Arnie Feast (pilot): Sally Feast (sister, only living relative)
David Stevens (pax): Kirsten Stevens (spouse)
Doug Decock (pax): Allison Decock (spouse) - secondary contact Kevin Decock (brother)
Trevor Decock (pax): Doug Decock Sr. (father) - secondary contact Kevin Decock (brother)
Fabian Bedard (pax): Darla MacDonald (common-law spouse)

When the aircraft was declared missing, contrary to the Principles of the Policy which states “that the carrier/operator has the fundamental responsibility to the victims and their families for dealing with their individual needs”, not one next of kin was contacted by MJM Air to inform us that the aircraft had been declared missing at approximately 2:15pm on the 28th of February 2005. Passenger next-of-kin were contacted by their respective employers after 6pm, while the next-of kin to the pilot was left a message on her answer machine by a stranger after 8pm. At no time in the weeks immediately following the accident, did MJM Air representatives contact any family member to express their condolences or offer support, or to explain what would happen “next”. I have learned that this is common practice from operators who may be, at least in part, culpable. So much for the operator’s fundamental responsibility.

No family member was contacted by anyone at the Transportation Safety Board following the accident. No explanation was ever received about how an investigation would (or would not) proceed, or what that investigation would (or would not) entail. The first contact any of us had with the TSB was in June 2005 when an advisor to the families contacted the TSB to request assistance long after the official search was called down. Even at this time, the investigator met only with Kevin Decock and there was no discussion with respect to the accident investigation itself. When the TSB sent it’s first “letter to the coroner” in June 2005, the families were not notified. Although the aircraft wreckage (sans engine) was recovered (by the families) on July 28, 2005 the TSB examination was cursory, and nothing was taken at that time for examination. We were advised by our legal representatives to await the TSB report. When the second letter, post recovery, was sent to the coroner in September 2005, again the families were not notified. It was only through our contact with the coroner in October 2005 that we learned a letter had been released and requested a copy, which was received in November.

Greatly dissappointed with the contents of the letter, we requested a meeting with the TSB, the Coroner and TCCA, which took place in December, 2005. Although TCCA refused the request, this was the first time other family members had any contact with anyone from the Transportation Safety Board, and the first time for any of us with respect to the accident investigation. Unfortunately, the comments and conduct of one of your investigators was so insulting to grieving family members, and both he and the second investigator seemed so uninformed with respect to aircraft type, that we preferred to limit further contact to the Regional Manager. Mr. Yearwood has been, since this meeting, compassionate and communicative and most helpful within his mandate, including calling in a knowledgeable investigator from another region in December 2006. Of course, this led to our being informed that the TSB did not have the expertise to comment on how float condition (landing gear) may have contributed to the fatal nature of the accident! Most surprising as this was hardly the first floatplane accident in Canada.

Unfortunately, the communication from the TSB with other involved agencies has also been poor. To exemplify this, we were recently informed by the Coroner Service that the reason for the delay in their Judgement of Inquiry (and decision with respect to an Inquest) was that they had never been informed by the TSB that a full report would not follow the initial “letter to the coroner” - that the accident had been given a Class 5 Occurrence designation. Had they known this, it is likely the families would have received some measure of closure through the Coroner’s Report in early 2006.

None of this addresses the fact that at no time preceding your email of June 2, 2008 did anyone explain to us who would be responsible for a Canada Labour Code investigation, fines and enforcement action if deemed necessary. We had considerable information within days of the accident that was relevant to this part of the investigation (as well as the TSB investigation), but grieving as we were, we expected the official agencies to uncover and investigate the same issues we had identified. With four working loggers on board, we were horrified to learn (in 2007) that the WCB had no jurisdiction to investigate, fine or enforce, despite being an insuring party. We were informed by the WCB that a CLC investigation was the responsibility of Transport Canada. As you know (but we did not) Transport is only responsible for an investigation into the safety of the pilot, whose remains have never been recovered – which they use as an excuse not to investigate. The RCMP file remains open, and they have informed me that they did not receive a copy of the last engineering reports from the TSB.

We are of the opinion that, in the case of this accident, the TSB investigators assigned decided in advance of recovery (and without respect to the many witnesses who heard the aircraft in trouble that morning, information about poor operational practices and dispatcher training by MJM Air, or on-going maintenance issues with the aircraft C-GAQW - all of which the families were aware), that the accident was due to weather and/or pilot error. Instead of actually looking for a cause, they used only the information which suited their pre-determination after the fuselage, and then the engine, were recovered - again by the families.

All of this has lead to continued hardship, both emotional and financial, for all the families (and their friends). I do not believe this to be a part of the FLS policy.

As you may be aware, my continued research and advocacy has resulted in my contact with the grieving loved ones from several other aviation accidents in recent years. They have expressed to me a similar dissatisfaction with communication and compassion received from the TSB. I would be happy to provide you with further information should you so request.

Please confirm that an evaluation and lessons-learned report will be initiated with respect to the FLS and the accident A05P0039, and that we will receive a copy once complete.


Respectfully,


Kirsten Stevens
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Widow,
Are you able to post the policy attachment they sent you?
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I tried to add it as an attachement yesterday, but it the system didn't allow .doc files ... here, i uploaded it ...

http://www3.telus.net/public/t9232724/i ... -09-16.doc
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Thanks!

Here it is in .PDF form - I converted it for you...
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Hey thanks snoop ...

And, fortunately, I'd saved petpad's post for it's very relevant information.
The NCAP was indeed an effort in the late 90's stemming from the Laurentide accident (A98Q0114), and also the Swissair accident. TC had and still has really no real responsibility in this regard, although it supported the effort then, which was originally going to be led by the TSB. TC would participate in educating its Minister's observers and other inspectors in dealing with grieving family members, but it would not go a lot more beyond that. The video referred in the memo exists, and I believe is still part of the TSB and Minobs training program (this was also led by Mrs. Jane Abramson's efforts). Keep in mind it is expected to be sensible to the aftermath, but the staff of the regulator cant be expected to double as professionally trained social workers. In the same vein, TSB had the same conendrum - is it really part of their mandate? TSB investigators are also trained for such sensitivities (even though they may not apply it all the same way), but there is a limit where the TSB should be expected to play that role (the envisioned NCAP).

TC eventually dropped from active participation in NCAP a few years later because the TSB would not take the lead as it had originally envisioned. Again, it's a question of mandate : who's mandate is it to deal with grieving families? For one, I dont think it is either the regulator (TC), or the investigator (TSB). I dare to submit it is a provincial matter, perhaps an arm of the Chief Coroner's office through provinscial social workers.

Widow, if you have not done so already, I suggest you contact Mrs. Jane Abramson, who is a champion of such issues, and who understands your situation. She lost her son in the Laurentide accident. You can find her contact info by searching the DCAM Flight Instructor Award.
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Anyone having a personal interest in seeing this program come to fruition, please contact me via pm or email.
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These were the responses received from Gerard McDonald (TSB) and Franz Reinhardt (TC):
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Follow-up: NCAP


Dear Mrs. Stevens:

This is in reply to your June 02 2008 e-mail, in which you state that you would like the TSB to initiate a formal report concerning the evaluation and lessons learned with respect to the TSB interaction with the families concerning occurrence A05P0039. You also provide comments concerning the response from MJM Air following the accident. With respect to those concerns, I would ask that you bring them directly to the operator for their attention.

You state that the FLS Policy program did not work for the families involved, and that you are concerned about the lack of communication with the TSB and the other agencies involved. As you know, the FLS Policy was implemented in September 2005 because it was deemed important for the TSB to better communicate accurate and timely factual information to the families of loved ones, as soon as that information can be verified or confirmed as factual. I am confident that the TSB made every effort to communicate accurate information to the Families and other agencies involved, in line with the intent of the Policy.

The TSB looks at every occurrence with a wide range of objectives, including how to improve communication with the Families and Loved ones. Although we continually learn from our interaction and experiences related to the FLS Policy, formal reports are not written. This said, rest assured that all of your comments have been noted and will be used to improve our dealings with families and loved ones in the future.

You also state that other families have expressed similar dissatisfaction with the communication and compassion of the TSB. I am not aware of the content of the discussions you may have had with any of these other families, so I will not offer a comment on this statement. I would however ask that if they indeed have any concerns as you suggest, they should communicate them personally to the TSB. Such action will give us the opportunity to hear the information from the source, so that we can understand what the problem really was and take appropriate corrective action as may be required.

Sincerely,

Gerard McDonald
Executive Director
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: CAIRS DD-5225


Dear Mrs. Stevens,

As you are aware, the recent concerns you expressed in your submission of May 2, 2008, in connection with the National Compassionate Assistance Program (NCAP) were entered into the Civil Aviation Issues Reporting System (CAIRS) and were assigned file number DD-5225.

I understand that you have received a response from Mr. Gerard McDonald of the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB), in which he explained that although the formalized program was never realized, the TSB has developed a policy on the dissemination of occurrence information to families, to ensure the provision of timely, factual, contextual information about investigations.

The TSB is the official aircraft accident investigative body in Canada , and Transport Canada continues to collaborate with the TSB in the course of safety investigations.

Please note that sensitivity training is now provided to Transport Canada Minister's Observers and Technical Advisors to help ensure the appropriate level of sensitivity during these difficult situations.

Franz Reinhardt
Director, Policy and Regulatory Services
And this was from another letter from me which followed up to the TSB:
In response to Mr. McDonald’s email of June 13, 2008, the suggestion that I should approach MJM Air with my concerns is distasteful. Not only did they go out of business as a result of oversight implemented by the contracting forest company (International Forest Products/ Interfor) after this accident, but they also threatened me with a lawsuit. Further, as it behooves the TSB to keep other interested agencies involved, no excuse can be found for having failed to inform either the families or the BC Coroner Service of the Occurrence Classification Policy and the plan not to report fully on this accident either before or after the implementation of the Family, Loved Ones and Survivors (FLS) Policy. I therefore reiterate my demand that an evaluation and Lessons Learned report with respect to the FLS and this accident be produced and a copy provided.
The response was this:
As Mr. McDonald stated in his 13 June 2008 e-mail to you, a formal evaluation and Lessons Learned report on this accident will not be produced.
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