Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

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Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by patter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:45 pm

I am going to make sure I learn how to file them, and where to file them.
Especially for level of service issues. And then I am going to teach other pilots how to do the same. I would think SMS would encourage CADOR filing.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by patter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:09 pm

Actually I think this might be the correct page.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/natio ... report.asp
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by CD » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:50 am

patter has the correct website. Here it is again, hotlinked:

Aviation Incident Report
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by 2milefinal » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:17 am

I do not think an Aviation Incident Report is the same as a CADORS report. Or am I wrong.
Anyway the last time I attempted to file a CADORS report (long time ago) I was told I could not, because I was a pilot.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by KAFUFO » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:32 pm

Nothing better to do with your time? At least the cocksuckers filing the CADORS right now are getting paid to do it.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by 2milefinal » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:08 pm

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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by co-joe » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:13 pm

KAFUFO wrote:Nothing better to do with your time? At least the cocksuckers filing the CADORS right now are getting paid to do it.
Been tagged by one lately have you?
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by C-FABH » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:27 pm

Don't worry about accuracy. Make some stuff up if you need to. Half the garbage in there is wrong anyways.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by B-rad » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:03 pm

i dont think cadors are anything to be afraid of as they dont mean any kind of punishment... unless they decide they need follow up action and this report has been made...
its like... after 911 if we had a canadian terrorist daily reporting system that allows you to report any one who you might think is a terrorist.. and if this person you reported did end up doing something.. then now they have something started on them. does that makes scence?

they file cadors anytime an aircraft decides to overshoot, turn off final, near misses, or anything else the person feels was out of the norm as far as i understand.. heck alot of standard flying gets cadors reports. it can make a pilot feel like they were doing something wrong when they wern't. however, if there was an issue that needed attention ad a cadors was reported with follow up action being needed.. then TC looks into it to hang who ever was in the wrong. not that they care to make it any safer.. they just want to pass blame.. thats how it will affect you.

you can look up cadors online but i dont feel like finding a link to post.. im sure someone will if it becomes needed. they are kinda fun to read tho. oh and i'd guess you already know ho cadors work as they seam to get posted alot when there is a funny one but i felt like giving you what i know in case i really had something to share you didnt know. i'll error on this side.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by Chuck Ellsworth » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:19 pm

The ever expanding B.S that these people dream up will eventually result in the industry either shrinking down to only the most needed type of flying or mass disregard for most of this stuff.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by AuxBatOn » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:22 pm

. . wrote:Thanks B-rad just between you and me the CADORS are about the last thing that would be of any interest to me.

It does smack of the big brother mentality though. :mrgreen:

The ever expanding B.S that these people dream up will eventually result in the industry either shrinking down to only the most needed type of flying or mass disregard for most of this stuff.

I think making as much screw ups/occurences/unsual things that happen available to all pilots just increase the general awareness of the flight crew population. I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think the system is meant to be punitive, but rahter, more informative.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by CD » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:08 am

2milefinal...

We had a similar discussion back in August (yes, ., you asked similar questions then too :wink: ). Also, do keep in mind what Hedley said on another thread.

Anyway, here is a basic overview from the site:
The Civil Aviation Daily Occurrence Reporting System (CADORS) is a national database which stores information on aviation occurrences. Aviation Safety Intelligence gathers data on irregularities, incidents and accidents from various sources such as Nav Canada, the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, police services, other Transport Canada departments and the public. The data is then consolidated and entered in the national database in order to provide Transport Canada's senior managers with factual and timely information. Trimestrial and annual reports on trends are also created from that data.

When an accident or a reportable incident occurs, it has to be reported to the Transportation Safety Board as required by the Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act.

It is now possible for anyone to report an event by completing the Aviation Incident Report form available on the Transport Canada web site. This information will be verified and then added to the database.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by 2milefinal » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:14 am

Thanks for the link CD
....wow you all got a little fired up
By the way I never put anything on paper (if I can help it). :wink:
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by Vickers vanguard » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:55 am

AuxBatOn wrote: I don't think the system is meant to be punitive, but rahter, more informative.
I agree with you on that.......years ago, got in IMC during a VFR training flight. Called terminal for assistance and was Radar vectored back to the airport. It lasted about 15 minutes. Had a call from transport thru the flight school to write a little text about how did I get myself in that situation. The story ended there.
I find some of the reports on Cadors to be too minor to be worth the reporting, but a lot of stuff is actually very informative. It's good to have access to the site again.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by KAFUFO » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:17 pm

Been tagged by one lately have you?
Had a few. They weren't worth the paper they were written on, so why the @#$! would anyone who wasen't getting paid to file them want to file one?
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by patter » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:20 pm

Why do you need to file them? Certainly not to get yourself in trouble.
But if you are denied access to airspace.
Or if the airport you flew had no fuel and there was no notam.
There are animals on a remote runway with regularity.
The lights blink on and off at night.
Nav Canada is rude to you.
Your flight plan gets lost even though you filed it.
The corridor you fly in is too congested.
There are vehicles on your runway that won't get off.
The gate codes don't work.
There are rocks from the crumbling concrete on the taxiways.
The runway is icy and no one notamed it.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by trey kule » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:41 pm

first of all, CD, oh great guru of all internet info, can you help an old guy out and give me a link to have a look at CADORS archives. Would like to see what is actually being reported on. I tried to get through on the link posted but could not access.

I was chatting with a buddy (ya gotta love SKYPE). He was telling me that they are seeing more and more serous stuff
(he is FSS). Things like skeds calling downwind then final on a runway and then landing going the opposite direction.
They tried dealing with many of these issues informally (contrary to what they are supposed to do), and they got nothing but flak and attitude from many of the pilots.

So, I want to have a look at just how serious some of these reports are. And as a little piece of advice from a fellow pilot, if the good folks at FSS tell you that you screwed up, be humble and learn. Telling someone in FSS to @#$! off and get a life when you are in the wrong is not condusive to them forgetting the whole thing. Just saying is all...
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by lilfssister » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:51 pm

CD wrote:patter has the correct website. Here it is again, hotlinked:

Aviation Incident Report
Yeah..I was multitasking and picked the wrong link :oops:

"i will not be on messenger, avchat, facebook, avcanada, and talk on the on the phone at the same time" (times 100) (and if I am not mistaken, I was cooking and eating dinner at the same time :lol: )
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by lilfssister » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:53 pm

trey kule wrote:first of all, CD, oh great guru of all internet info, can you help an old guy out and give me a link to have a look at CADORS archives. Would like to see what is actually being reported on. I tried to get through on the link posted but could not access.

I'm no CD, but I guarantee with 99% accuracy this is the link:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/applicatio ... h/main.asp
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by trey kule » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:55 pm

Thank you.

I did find an interesting tribunal decision where NavCan was fined $2500 for NOT reporting an incident.

I also found some interesting stuff in your link 14, 500+ incident reports filed in the last year.
Some of them are truly amazing as nothing but bureaucratic paper pushing. Wonder what the cost is in terms of manpower at NavCan and Tc for sorting through what,in most cases is garbage.....although there were some interesting ones involving Canada's big carriers. Makes one wonder about all the CRM hoopla when crews do some of these things.
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by CD » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:20 pm

Not at all sure about the cost but the entertainment value is sometimes priceless, as has been noted previously:

Who says the CADORS are boring?
Billy don't be a hero... amusing CADORS report from CYAV
Larry, Curly and Moe...
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Re: Pilots need to learn how to file CADORS

Post by C-GGGQ » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:09 pm

patter wrote:Why do you need to file them? Certainly not to get yourself in trouble.
But if you are denied access to airspace.
Or if the airport you flew had no fuel and there was no notam.
There are animals on a remote runway with regularity.
The lights blink on and off at night.
Nav Canada is rude to you.
Your flight plan gets lost even though you filed it.
The corridor you fly in is too congested.
There are vehicles on your runway that won't get off.
The gate codes don't work.
There are rocks from the crumbling concrete on the taxiways.
The runway is icy and no one notamed it.

I could be mistaken but I don't think CADORS cover things like that.
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