Water Bomber Crash in Kelowna
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Same here - 8 hrs flight, 14 hrs duty.
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When the OMNR put their Twin Otters on Whipline amphib water-bombing floats it was a bit of a learning curve for everyone. I wasn't all that long before one of the boys landed on the runway gearup. The aircraft slid to a halt and was picked up with a crane and the gear was lowered. No harm done, just a little aluminum and paint wear. One of the other pilots remarked " that pilot should be fired on the spot, there is no excuse for this". Well about ten days later guess who lands gear up, you guessed it, only this time Mr Superpilot pours the power to it trying to get back in the air. Didn't get airborn again but much more damage. Be careful what you say Doc, you may have to eat your words one day.
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You mention those two, but don't mention the one they put in the lake with the gear down?NWONT wrote:When the OMNR put their Twin Otters on Whipline amphib water-bombing floats it was a bit of a learning curve for everyone. I wasn't all that long before one of the boys landed on the runway gearup. The aircraft slid to a halt and was picked up with a crane and the gear was lowered. No harm done, just a little aluminum and paint wear. One of the other pilots remarked " that pilot should be fired on the spot, there is no excuse for this". Well about ten days later guess who lands gear up, you guessed it, only this time Mr Superpilot pours the power to it trying to get back in the air. Didn't get airborn again but much more damage. Be careful what you say Doc, you may have to eat your words one day.
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One....... better check your addition!!!
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Damn, I'm wrong again and my addition is getting as bad as my memory.
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They put a Maule and Turbo Beaver in with the gear down. The Twin Otter opened it's bomb doors while on the water and flipped. Mitigating factor was an unguarded bomb button located next to the probe retract button. The mistake here being the pilot left the bomb system armed.You mention those two, but don't mention the one they put in the lake with the gear down?
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This is the comment I was responding to!!!!!!!! Lets not forget Pembroke!!!You mention those two, but don't mention the one they put in the lake with the gear down?
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I can see calling a king air driver who lands with the wheels up without any mechanical issues a moron, but a guy driving amphibs, thats a complete different story.. Shit can go wrong fast...
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Hate to hear that. I thought ConAir had a great SMS in place. One things for sure he'd never ever do it again but I guess rope is cheaper.yes, he was terminated on friday
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I think SMS has spoken... cause and risk potential removed.Driving Rain wrote:Hate to hear that. I thought ConAir had a great SMS in place. One things for sure he'd never ever do it again but I guess rope is cheaper.yes, he was terminated on friday
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Therefore we are to understand from this that said pilot had a history of high risk potential, and or other accidents that were avoidable?
I think SMS has spoken... cause and risk potential removed.
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Not really. They're still exposed because they have to replace him.I think SMS has spoken... cause and risk potential removed.
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. I think you might see where I'm coming from when it's the choice between amphibs and straight floats, complicated and uncomplicated.
You need to highly aware, and awake, when you fly amphibious aircraft. There's no forgiveness.
You need to highly aware, and awake, when you fly amphibious aircraft. There's no forgiveness.
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They don't fly any different than any other sea plane.You need to highly aware, and awake, when you fly amphibious aircraft. There's no forgiveness.
It is when you land them you have to be wide awake.
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A bit of tongue in cheek there, Cat! It seems these kind of things have a one-strike clause... No matter how simplex or complex of an operation you are involved in there seems to be certain things you simply cannot excuse. Be it a King Air or an amphibious, one flight a day or 8 hours on a fire, as pilots we are still responsible for the safe operation of the equipment we are flying. I have no experience with the waterbombing way of life, but it seems from all the comments made there is a certain expectation of performance that outweights personal limitation. Just an observational observation... This does not excuse anyone.Cat Driver wrote:Therefore we are to understand from this that said pilot had a history of high risk potential, and or other accidents that were avoidable?
I think SMS has spoken... cause and risk potential removed.
As I said before, I have the utmost respect for the fire suppression industry and I am awed by their work, but safety and safe operation of the aircraft is still the number one priority! Even when it comes to the pure basic operation of said aircraft.
And with this I fully agree!Driving Rain wrote:Not really. They're still exposed because they have to replace him.I think SMS has spoken... cause and risk potential removed.
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If there is a one strike clause in these wrong gear position selections how many of the gear up accidents with land planes result in the crew being fired?A bit of tongue in cheek there, Cat! It seems these kind of things have a one-strike clause...
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I honestly don't know. I was just referring to what has been discussed in the one King Air and this waterbomber accident. So for all I know I can be wrong in my statements as I really and truly don't have all the facts... It's just my Sunday entertainment!
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.