No more June airshows for me. I saw what happened last year in Oshawa. Sad day.
What happened at Oshawa?
Pilot crashes, dies at Oshawa, Ont. airshow - Sat. Jun. 25 2005grimey wrote:What happened at Oshawa?
Hadn't heard that from the Snowbirds but I believe it. I can say I fly beside garbage mountain everytime I do circuits on 28 though & have seen quite a few s-hawks around there. Quite the problem at Rump's dump actually when I worked about 10 years ago.Hedley wrote:I hope he didn't suck a bird. There's a HUGE landfill site just south of Carp, and a couple years ago, after repeated bird strikes, the Snowbirds swore they'd never come back.
Have talked to some people who were around YRP this am. Word was they "...saw the microjet departing runway 28 and after gaining some speed in ground effect, initiated a loop from aprox 15-20feet off by taxiway Alpha. Didnt make it, and crashed approx 100 feet off the threshold of 01 in the bush". - taken from another forum.
I remember the P-51 crash. I can't remember the other one... The 188 had just landed and was at show centre on the ground, I remember taking a picture of the 188 and you can see the mustang as a blur in the background falling into the trees in the golf course. I didn't believe what I saw until the explosion happened....grimey wrote:That's 3 fatal crashes I can remember at or related to the Ottawa airshow. My mom refuses to go anymore after the first 2 (a P-51 at YOW years back, and another aircraft at Carp a couple years earlier). Then my brother's friend gets hit by lighting a couple years later.
It was a military BD5, not the forest fighting Birddog #5.
I too will be sending prayers to the family.
Thats what I saw.
I remembered it differently. He was doing formation with a Hurricane. They were returning to do a pass, coming from the south by the golf course. He rolled it and started down. I remember thinking he was awfully low to execute that maneuver, and then thinking I hope there's a bit of a valley there for a pullout.ch135146 wrote:That was July 1, 1990, during the airshow at Ottawa/Uplands. A high speed pass and pull up, pilot stalled it, impact on a golf course near by.grimey wrote:...a P-51 at YOW years back...
I got home to YYC and found the latest issue of Sport Aviation in my mailbox. The issue had an article on what was the best frontline fighter of WW2. The P-51 used in that evaluation was Death Rattler, flown by Harry Tope from the Kalamazoo museum. Harry was flying that machine that crashed. Sickening thing to watch.
The article in the magazine compared a number of parameters between 3-4 fighters. One was stall characteristics. They described the P-51 as having a wicked break when it stalled, with the plane rolling as much as 270 degrees when the stall broke. They went on to add that you should have at least 3000' of altitude to recover from a stall.
Sorry for the hi-jack.
Condolences to all.
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I've flown (and stalled) the P-51, and with it's NLF wing, it does have VERY interesting stall characteristics. It has an honest-to-gosh secondary stall - you couldn't just horse the stick back after the stall, like you can in a Cessna - you had to be patient, and gently milk it out, with great care given to the AOA.the P-51 as having a wicked break when it stalled, with the plane rolling as much as 270 degrees
Frankly the P-51, although it makes great noises, is not the easiest to fly aerobatics in. Pull a tiny bit extra G, and all the speed bleeds off.
In 30 years of flying, the P-51 and the Glasair III had the most interesting stall/spin characteristics.
Back on topic ... it sure sounds like poor Scott missed his gate (for the surface-level inside loop) and paid the price
http://tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/a ... 6o0141.asp
Finding as to Causes and Contributing Factors
1. The right flap was incorrectly installed during the wing installation, which allowed the right flap to retract during the fly-past. This created a flap asymmetry that resulted in an uncommanded and uncontrollable right roll. The aircraft was at an altitude from which recovery was not possible before the aircraft struck the ground.
For anyone interested, the report is here: AVIATION REPORTS - 2006 - A06O0141
I still miss that guy.
I'd been watching for that too. I think its been out for a few months. I was instructing out of Carp at the time. I was there that day and saw it happen. I'm sorry for your loss.
I also saw the ultralight that crashed in Oshawa 4 years ago. There is nothing more sad than seeing an accident happen.
and BTD, knew both those guys.... and familys.
The list grows longer every year, unfortunately.
Thats why some of us get really pi..ed off when someone does something so totally preventable and winds up as another statistic.
This report concludes the Transportation Safety Board's investigation into this occurrence. Consequently, the Board authorized the release of this report on 02 May 2007.
Two years to translate?Date Modified: 2009-05-08
There doesn't seem to be anything in the TC ASLs at the time of release either.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
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