Any help would be appreciated. bang head
I'm in the same boat trying to find my first job, but I can see plain as day that this will NOT work.
F/O program in the States to fly right seat dropping meat patties... This is a commercial operator, so I guess you would need a commercial license to sit right seat on revenue flights with a PPC or PCC on type. Since it's the US, I guess that would be a US commercial license required. Training, tested and licences issued in the gold old USA by the FAA. Then there's the legal aspect of working in the US... good luck.
The FAA will still do a straight private conversion with paperwork over the counter, but you'll only be able to fly or receive dual instruction (I think)
Anyone else got more info?
If it were a single pilot operaton, I believe they could do that. But if it's a two crew deal, then you need 2 certified pilots right? The airplane has to get up there under revenue rules before it comes down [:P]
Seriously though, I'm getting kinda curious myself!
C'mon PJ, there are some of us that aren't flying anything yet! Give us less fortunate aspiring souls a break, man. It doesn't mean I would ever pay for training, but everybody should share any information they have... Good or bad.
Transport Canada is the first place you need to call. Hopefully you'll get some who'll be useful just ask for the manager..
Converting US SIC time to Canadian time is rarely recognised.
I was going to just do a plain old fashion Multi pump 250 hours for $8k. But TC said they probably wouldn't recognise more then 1/4th of the flight time because in the states the FAA has it's regs messed up according to him. So if you don't have an ATPL, don't do it since the hours won't count.
I don't know how employers look at these hour pumping programs. Maybe you'd want to call some up at AC or WJ.
For the most part, these stupid programs are targeted towards the scum operators who only flies single pilot cargo operations and this is applicable to pistons and turboprops. Therefore, in the US, if you are stupid enough to pay these criminals money to seat right seat, it is not recognized because their ops specs stated for the above reasons. These operators operate under Part 135 which is similar to our 703. Part 121 is our 705.
Most jump operators are under Part 91, which is general operating rules as they don't meet the requirements and/or are not require to meet 135 standards.
However, if your daddy is rich and you decide to go for the jet program, now it's a different ball game as these jet operators require two crews. Again, however, check the regs!
A lot of Europeans are doing these programs because apparently JAR rules recgonize these hours (especially for aircraft over 12,500lbs) or as they call it JAR 25 (someone correct me if I am wrong).
As for Canada, I would suggest talking to TC before paying your money to those bloodsuckers.
May I suggest checking out this US forum http://www.flightinfo.com and simply do a search under PFT or First Officer Program and hopefully it will convince you NOT to take this route.
Why go through all this mess though? Go out there, knock on doors and work hard for that first flying job. Be persistent and don't give up...trust me, we were all there once.....
It's seems easier to skip step 2 and thats why many people go for these "Officer Training" programs.Mango wrote: Why go through all this mess though? Go out there, knock on doors and work hard for that first flying job. Be persistent and don't give up...trust me, we were all there once.....
Yea, and if you read the names, and the number of poeple on flightinfo who actually post negative about PFT, the names are always the same, and there are VERY FEW of them that give a rats ARSE. Look at the polls on that board, the number of people who vote anti-PFT range from 50 people to 70, that is OUT OF almost 14,000 members. Pretty small percentage.
I am a flight instructor, and I graduated from a large flight school univeristy, I have NEVER met one pilot, Profesional or student, who cared about PFT either way. We have even had airline guys come in and discuss these programs, and not one negative thing was said.
Sorry to illustrate the truth to those who have a problem with this practice, but most pilots just don't care. But keep in mind, it is always BETTER to get PAID, as this is our ultimate goal, I woud hope.
To each his own.
But DEFINATELY call Transport and ask FIRST.
It will never end. What it come down too, is if it works for you, fine, but if you can get paid to fly multi, or even better, turbine, that would be ideal. In the United States, PFT was a REQUIREMENT at almost every single US regioanl airline in the 90's, and the thousands upon thousands of pilots who had to PFT, much like Jetsgo, (but sometimes without reimbursement) sure don't have a problem with it. Looks like not manny have a problem with Jetsgo either, and that is PFT.
Guys, thanks again for the info, I will not do it and I appreciate the great advice and let's try to be there for each other with any other info that we could pass by. BS
Is it? I thought it was a repayable deposit-- kinda like a bond. After two years, paid back $30K plus 8%. Can't say I am a big fan of it either.blade230 wrote:Looks like not manny have a problem with Jetsgo either, and that is PFT.
Us more experienced pilots (crowbar in hand) often find ourselves crowding newer pilots into a dark alley corner with the sermon of "don't ever work for free." Somebody tell me how not only working for free, but having the cash flow going in the wrong direction is somehow more innocent.
-President Ronald Reagan
Any place you give money to for training/hours/or a job, that is considered PFT. It doesn't matter if it gets paid back or not. If a person puts forth money to a company, that is PFT.
Still though, I would take a job a Jetsgo if I had the time. Guess I will hang in the hold for a while.
With all due respect g-girl, and without me trying to defend Jetsgo, I think there is a big difference between a) signing a bond, b) putting up the money-- which is held and repaid at the end of a set term and with interest paid, and c) simply paying the money, never to be seen again (bye bye money).g-girl wrote:"Any place you give money to for training/hours/or a job, that is considered PFT. It doesn't matter if it gets paid back or not. If a person puts forth money to a company, that is PFT.
-President Ronald Reagan