MEDIVAC Bids for Yukon

[whodat]

agreed, there are not many types in that class.

However, I do wonder who is writing this contract and where they are getting their info. TCAS II??? Really?? How is that helpful? Who said that would be of any use?

Seems a bit in Alcan's favour with the tight timelines. However, I wouldn't count out anyone else. I'm sure there will be some competitive bids coming in.

[oldncold]

kag . voyageur didn't lose it in the true sense of the bid process -the ornge corp went and borrowed $175mill secured by tax payer of ont. bought 6ng pc12. set up ornge air > and said thanks have a nice day. no tender no open bid process. good bye.


This is the one operating area where I might give in to the the 2 engine thing . though with a next gen and synthetic vision 12's big door and the range / saving the tax payer in fuel and if anyone cares it really aint cheap north of 60 . . as far as the bid goes do the king air as primary and the 12 as back up so over the course of a 3yr term contract
true +'s and minus can be objectively weighed. with real numbers not emotion . one thing that the 12 does have over the k/a is balanced field req esp the 300/350 there are some shorter strips up there. one should look at this combo to give the best operational flexibility. to the customer.

just me 2 bits worth . fly safe everyone

[JAG]

aircraft Alkan has, coincidence?

How about a company seeing what the gov't wants and offering it?

That will be what the outside companies will have to do. Had Alkan bought a Falcon 10 years ago, that's what would have been in the contract.

['effin hippie]

Sounds like a surprising number of bids in this time around. Seems like there's a few outfits looking for work for their 350's. YTG might end up saving a few bucks.

While the bid basically requests what Alcan already has, that is also simply reflective of the fact that Alcan has a very good medevac set-up. 2 Machines, 1 of which excels at long-hauls, common type with a good record; heated hangar; good A/C equipment. Who wouldn't specify that?

fwiw - there are some things specified in there that Alcan doesn't have, so they aren't just having the thing handed to them.

ef

[invertedagain]

Effiin hippie, "there are some things specified in there that Alcan doesn't have, so they aren't just having the thing handed to them."

such as???

['effin hippie]

Ummmm....

Well, TCAS II and WAAS come to mind, not a huge deal, but not that cheap either.

Anyway, if you know the outfit and the contract well enough to have a strong opinion then you can spend the morning going over it.

ef

[canpilot]

So what is the contact is geared towards ALKAN? * I don't know if it actually is as everyone claims*


Alkan does more than an excellent job. All of the crew, pilots, mechanics, ramp, management etc is VERY geared to excellent service.. Alkan definitely delivers and then some...

Why should someone who is providing an excellent service lose the contract? If it isn't broken why fix it?

[JAG]

For one thing, it's a government contract. Government is not obligated to one company year after year after year.

Secondly, there is the issue of sole-sourcing, which is something the Yukon government has come under fire for NUMEROUS times over the last number of years.

Thirdly, there are a number of things a company can do better, Alkan is not exempt from that.

Fourthly, there are companies out there that may do it better - they deserve an opportunity as well.

One person may think that a company is wonderful, another person doesn't. What it is likely to come down to is $$.

[bigsky]

For one thing, it's a government contract. Government is not obligated to one company year after year after year.


One person may think that a company is wonderful, another person doesn't. What it is likely to come down to is $$.

I agree, If another company can do the same job and meet the specs, for a lower cost then they should get the contract.

[skysix]

Slightly off topic, has anyone heard any actual details about the new MEDEVAC RFP for Iqaluit? Read like they are trying to get ORNGE in...some STRANGE requirements for equipment...

Interesting bunch of folks over in Ontario. The Baffin RFP came out last month - obviously written by an ORNGE groupie as it was so paramedic/gadget and Ontario orientated (cut and paste my friend) that it virtually INSULTED Nunavut and all who lives there! Big egos -they wanted 8 intercom access points in the back of the A/C - so paramedics could talk to each other/pilots/patient/escorts and all combinations possible between said groups. We at work laughed ourselves stupid trying to figure out WHERE in a King Air this would happen and what the wiring diagram would look like!! Also had a whole page in the RFP about if 'someone' (but doesn't say who exactly) screwed up - diciplinary actions would be brought down by the Ministry of some Ontario govt. Is Nunavut becoming an extension of Ontario now? Many egos and kingdoms over there - my boss knows the Medical Director - young, and business focused but not a lot of experience - sucked in by USA HEMS hoopla/prestige. Dangerous times, dangerous times.

[CuriousBystander]

Slightly off topic, has anyone heard any actual details about the new MEDEVAC RFP for Iqaluit? Read like they are trying to get ORNGE in...some STRANGE requirements for equipment...

Interesting bunch of folks over in Ontario. The Baffin RFP came out last month - obviously written by an ORNGE groupie as it was so paramedic/gadget and Ontario orientated (cut and paste my friend) that it virtually INSULTED Nunavut and all who lives there! Big egos -they wanted 8 intercom access points in the back of the A/C - so paramedics could talk to each other/pilots/patient/escorts and all combinations possible between said groups. We at work laughed ourselves stupid trying to figure out WHERE in a King Air this would happen and what the wiring diagram would look like!! Also had a whole page in the RFP about if 'someone' (but doesn't say who exactly) screwed up - diciplinary actions would be brought down by the Ministry of some Ontario govt. Is Nunavut becoming an extension of Ontario now? Many egos and kingdoms over there - my boss knows the Medical Director - young, and business focused but not a lot of experience - sucked in by USA HEMS hoopla/prestige. Dangerous times, dangerous times.

ORNGE was hired to write the RFP for the government, but ORNGE has NOT bid on the RFP - would be a bit of a conflict of interest there...

[Brint]

[quote="JAG"

Secondly, there is the issue of sole-sourcing, which is something the Yukon government has come under fire for NUMEROUS times over the last number of years.

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For the number of flights we do, sole-sourcing seems to me like the best way and best bang for the government's buck. I could be wrong though.

Can't wait till this is all over and we can get on with our lives.

['effin hippie]

Looks like Alcan's safe for another 5 years. Congrats...

ef

[ScudRunner]

Did they award it ??? Link please
or did they just get a shareholder elected to the governing party again?


Oh snap oh no you didn't

[JAG]

Bid submission ended today. There is nothing to indicate that the contract has been awarded. Are you holding out on us, hippie?

['effin hippie]

Per the YTG contract clerk at 16:30 today, Alcan had the low bid by around $1 Million.

ef

[ybp]

http://www.gov.yk.ca/tenders/public/res ... ulance.pdf

Since when did Sifton have King Air's....or were they just hoping to get some quick???

[canpilot]

They don't have any king air's. Maybe he's confused and thinks the C205 used for glacier tours can be modified .. LOL

I think he's going to sub contract the me-evac contract to another operator outside the Yukon.

I hope the Yukon gov't tries to keep the contract in the Yukon employing residents from YXY... etc.

[JAG]

Most "Yukon residents" have come from elsewhere, so that's a non-issue. I would surmise that, should another company be successful, they will likely hire some of those affected. As for keeping the contract in the Yukon, a new player would open up shop. Competition is good.

Also, Sifton has bid on the contract before. They are a Yukon company - not that it matters. Airplanes can be got, hangar space can as well.

Just another note: YTG was quite clear in it's tender that the lowest bid isn't necessarily the winner.

['effin hippie]

YTG was quite clear in it's tender that the lowest bid isn't necessarily the winner.

Whatever.
The lowest price is the winner if the conditions set forth in the tender are met. And since we all pretty much agree that the conditions basically specify what Alcan already has, I doubt very much they will fail to meet them. Nobody else had a chance on this unless they clearly beat Alcan on price.
On the other hand, with that many bids I'll bet everyone took a scalpel to the budget, the contract doesn't actually have to change hands for Yukon to get better value.

ef