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flight time

Post by indieadventurer » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:57 pm

I was having a discussion with a colleague of mine regarding flight time. He never became airborne on a flight and said he couldn't log the time, even though he had the intent to get airborne. Shouldn't he be able to log it?
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Re: flight time

Post by Tango01 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:13 pm

You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4 :wink:
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Re: flight time

Post by indieadventurer » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:40 pm

Tango01 wrote:You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4 :wink:
how'd you guess? :lol:
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Re: flight time

Post by phillyfan » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Tell your friend he's "a loser" and to "get a life"
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Re: flight time

Post by modi13 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:43 pm

I would log the time in the PTR as taxi time, but I would be hesitant to log it as flight time. I can't find it now, but there's a regulation specifying that the aircraft must leave the ground for it to qualify as a flight, and there's a maximum amount of time which can be spent taxiing for every hour of air time. It's to ensure that students, and other pilots, don't just build time by idling in the run-up bay.
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Re: flight time

Post by square » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:49 pm

Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
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Re: flight time

Post by turbo-prop » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:06 pm

I think I might go to work tomorrow and taxi around for the day. Only 8 hrs though for single pilot. :wink:
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Re: flight time

Post by JayVee » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:55 pm

Brian, how can I tell if I'm Jewish?
Are you Jewish?
No.
You're not Jewish.
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Re: flight time

Post by Brewhouse » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:02 pm

This is a joke right??
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Re: flight time

Post by Approach Ban » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:07 pm

CAR 101.01

"air time" - means, with respect to keeping technical records, the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface until it comes into contact with the surface at the next point of landing; (temps dans les airs)

"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight; (temps de vol)

I guess you could. I sure wouldn't. Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
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Re: flight time

Post by paydaymayday » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:13 pm

Is said person really that hung up for a 0.3?

The things you hear...
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Re: flight time

Post by Crobe » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:45 pm

Approach Ban wrote:Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
The student who gets the pleasure of paying for that .3 would care.
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Re: flight time

Post by Prairie Chicken » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:26 am

"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight;
What flight?
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Re: flight time

Post by pilotman15 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:32 am

square wrote:Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
Airplane sure did move under it's own power but never ended the "flight". I don't think you could log it but in reality no one cares about .3 and if that 0.3 will be the difference between an ATPL/CPL/PPL I would be impressed.
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Re: flight time

Post by indieadventurer » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:24 am

it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
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Re: flight time

Post by niss » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:07 pm

In the Journey Log Airtime = Wheels up to wheels down, Flight time = Everything to get to and from that position.

Flight time goes down into the logbook.
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Re: flight time

Post by modi13 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:24 pm

indieadventurer wrote:it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
If the time put in the journey log is marked as "Taxi only" and the student wasn't charged, there shouldn't be any record of the student having used the plane. At my school, if the aircraft doesn't take off and the lesson wasn't intended to practice taxiing (if a mechanical issue was found, for example) then there is no record that the student was in the aircraft. If TC double-checks his logbooks with the school's records, they'll find no evidence of those flights.
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Re: flight time

Post by Lurch » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:30 pm

niss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
No Flight, No Time :roll:

Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time? :shock:

As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.

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Re: flight time

Post by EPR » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:40 pm

Phillyfan:Tell your friend he's "a loser" and to "get a life"
...no kidding,eh!! :lol:
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Re: flight time

Post by niss » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:39 pm

Lurch wrote:
niss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
No Flight, No Time :roll:

Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time? :shock:

As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.

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I remember in the early years of getting my PPL when I couldn't imagine not writing .3 down.

If you startup, taxi, runup, taxi to position, then the weather goes for shit so you scrub the flight is this going into the journey & if so is that not fair to go in the personal log/PTR?
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Re: flight time

Post by AEROBAT » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:47 pm

After a while you will forget where you left your pilots log book and go months without filling in anything. Comes time to do your medical and you have spent $5000 on fuel with your Visa but only see 20 hours in your log book :shock:
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Re: flight time

Post by paydaymayday » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:58 pm

Ugh, thanks for reminding me. I haven't put my last 200 hours in. I need to sit down with a 12 pack and some Rub A535 for my writing hand.
AEROBAT wrote:After a while you will forget where you left your pilots log book and go months without filling in anything. Comes time to do your medical and you have spent $5000 on fuel with your Visa but only see 20 hours in your log book :shock:
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Re: flight time

Post by AEROBAT » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:09 am

I will never forget what one old salt told me about logbooks, job applications ect. The job app. will look good and the log book will seem O.K. but it only takes about 15 minutes in the right seat to see how much B.S. the aspiring pilot has written down.

He called them Parker Pilots. I asked him what did he mean by that? He replied they were flying Parker Pens instead of airplanes! Padding the log book.
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Re: flight time

Post by modi13 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:15 am

niss wrote:
Lurch wrote:
niss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
No Flight, No Time :roll:

Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time? :shock:

As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.

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I remember in the early years of getting my PPL when I couldn't imagine not writing .3 down.

If you startup, taxi, runup, taxi to position, then the weather goes for shit so you scrub the flight is this going into the journey & if so is that not fair to go in the personal log/PTR?
Your school shouldn't charge you for it. Like I said, the entry is crossed out and "Taxi only" put in. Since inspections are done based on air time, and almost no fuel is burned if you don't go to take off power, it doesn't really cost the school anything to run it. Maintenance does the same thing when doing taxi checks. If there's no record that you used the aircraft in the journey log and TC tries to verify that you've actually got those hours, you could be in a bit of trouble. I've heard (rumours are very reliable sources) that someone didn't write down entries in the journey log to save money, but logged the time in his personal logbook. When the records were checked for his ATPL, it didn't add up, and not only did he have to get hundreds more hours, but he received a hefty fine for it.
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Re: flight time

Post by tripleseven » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:49 pm

turbo-prop wrote:I think I might go to work tomorrow and taxi around for the day. Only 8 hrs though for single pilot. :wink:
Nice comment. I remember when you got your first flying job. You were just as bad. Didn't you try to log the taxi time as IFR if it was cloudy?
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