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CYPW gear up Ho

Post by Invertago » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:25 pm

Aircraft makes emergency landing
Flight crew avoids injury when landing gear fails to descend
Published: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:27 PM CST
BREAKING NEWS – A pilot and co-pilot of a twin-engine commercial aircraft walked away from their aircraft’s belly landing at the Powell River airport.

At 8:15 am on Monday, January 25, Powell River RCMP were called to the airport regarding an aircraft in distress. It was reported that an Orca Airways Piper Navaho was unable to lower its landing gear and was attempting an emergency landing.

RCMP Sergeant Cam Muir said at the time of this incident there were no passengers onboard the aircraft, which was being operated by the two flight crew.

"Upon receiving this report, all local emergency services attended to the airport," Muir said. "The flight crew was able to successfully land the aircraft on its belly. There were no injuries and only the aircraft sustained damage."

The Powell River airport was closed to air traffic on Monday morning while crews prepared the aircraft for removal. Muir said Transport Canada had been advised of this incident and the RCMP are conducting preliminary inquires on its behalf.
http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/01/ ... 266489.txt


Had to start a new thread since seems someone peed in the gear up pool thread.
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Re: CYPW gear up Ho

Post by SkyKing » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:12 pm

There must be more to this than a gear failure, otherwise I'm sure they would have returned to YVR for many reasons...long runway, no trees etc, emerg. services, company base and mtx., etc. Glad to hear everyone is alright.
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Post by Ogee » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:32 pm

Looking at those props I'd say there's about 150 grand worth of unnecessary damage.
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Post by modi13 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:51 pm

A shocking turn of events! :shock: I never expected an operator from the South Side to have a safety issue.
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Post by godsrcrazy » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:27 pm

Here we go again.
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Post by Kilo-Kilo » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:44 pm

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Post by balfour » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:11 pm

Why not feather the props before touchdown? :smt102
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Post by medi-whacked » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:30 pm

Ogee wrote:Looking at those props I'd say there's about 150 grand worth of unnecessary damage.
It looks like the props are bent forward!!
What would cause that??
They must have skidded backwards after touch down.

2nd Navajo in a week, price of them is going to go up.
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Post by Invertago » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:45 pm

Maybe Viking should put the Ho back in production.
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Post by Doc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:00 pm

Invertago wrote:Maybe Viking should put the Ho back in production.
Folks have come up dumber ideas. The mighty Ho is a good airplane. We could at least develop some sort of belly skid system, so the pilots don't have to worry about the inconvenience of having to lower the gear...
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Post by niko » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:32 pm

Which one did they crash?
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Re: CYPW gear up Ho

Post by Rowdy » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:21 pm

Is there a navajo magnet in ypw?
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Post by Old Dog Flying » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:02 pm

Generally if the props are bent forward, it would indicate an application of power at the last second before T/D. I've seen that on more occasions than I want to remember
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Post by xsbank » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:14 pm

So it looks like I don't win the draw? Looks like somebody pooched it even as we were decrying the number of gear-ups that were happening.

Maybe we should make this a weekly draw and get prizes donated by Hartzell and Lycoming?
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Post by GARRETT » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:38 pm

Does the Navajo have a micro switch on the throttle quadrant that sets off the gear horn at low manifold pressure? If I recall the Cessna twins do and sometimes they are not set properly. The only way to set them is to do a test flight to see that the horn is set properly. I know it looks like it may be the crew's fault in this one (We'll have to wait and see.) but if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor. If the horn worked properly they may have had enough warning to do a go around and put the gear down.
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Post by Doc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:11 pm

GARRETT wrote:Does the Navajo have a micro switch on the throttle quadrant that sets off the gear horn at low manifold pressure? If I recall the Cessna twins do and sometimes they are not set properly. The only way to set them is to do a test flight to see that the horn is set properly. I know it looks like it may be the crew's fault in this one (We'll have to wait and see.) but if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor. If the horn worked properly they may have had enough warning to do a go around and put the gear down.
They didn't put the gear down. Screw the switch. Warning!! Warning, don't crap yet! Your pants are still up! Shall we all hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
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Post by Cat Driver » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:30 pm

The thing that gets me is courier runs have some of the most demanding types of flying in the industry and generally in older airplanes yet that is where you find the least experienced pilots usually working for wages that are below the minimum wage in the rest of society.

Could that have anything to do with these accidents?
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Post by Lurch » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:59 pm

GARRETT wrote:if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor.
:lol: :roll:

Please tell me you're not serious

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Post by Flykda » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:24 pm

glad everyone is OK..
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Post by shitdisturber » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:53 pm

GARRETT wrote:Does the Navajo have a micro switch on the throttle quadrant that sets off the gear horn at low manifold pressure? If I recall the Cessna twins do and sometimes they are not set properly. The only way to set them is to do a test flight to see that the horn is set properly. I know it looks like it may be the crew's fault in this one (We'll have to wait and see.) but if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor. If the horn worked properly they may have had enough warning to do a go around and put the gear down.
Yes Navajos have the micro switch, but whether or not the horn is working or even installed in no way excuses failure to put the gear down.
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Post by Invertago » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:30 am

I think all Ho drivers should wrap an elastic band around their finger to remind them to drop the gear before touch down.
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Re: CYPW gear up Ho

Post by GARRETT » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:01 am

Lurch wrote:
GARRETT wrote:if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor.
:lol: :roll:

Please tell me you're not serious

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Whoa, easy Dude! I was not looking for a way to excuse the crew or minimize the situation, I was just trying to look at this from all angles. There is more to this than just forgetting to lower the gear for landing. Why did they forget? What was their training like? etc.
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Post by yycflyguy » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:21 am

Cat Driver wrote:The thing that gets me is courier runs have some of the most demanding types of flying in the industry and generally in older airplanes yet that is where you find the least experienced pilots usually working for wages that are below the minimum wage in the rest of society.

Could that have anything to do with these accidents?
Bang on Cat. Valid analysis.
Does the Navajo have a micro switch on the throttle quadrant that sets off the gear horn at low manifold pressure? If I recall the Cessna twins do and sometimes they are not set properly. The only way to set them is to do a test flight to see that the horn is set properly. I know it looks like it may be the crew's fault in this one (We'll have to wait and see.) but if the gear horn was not set right this could definitely be a contributing factor. If the horn worked properly they may have had enough warning to do a go around and put the gear down.

This too is valid. It is one layer of a safety net that, if removed, may have avoided a bad day.
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Re: CYPW gear up Ho

Post by rigpiggy » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:08 am

Ah, don't worry that will buff right out. :smt040 :smt040 :smt040 :smt040
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Post by Doc » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:50 am

Training is always brought into it as a factor. It could be. But I've seen lots of guys who received the "toss him the book, the ride is tomorrow" method of training, put the gear down every time, and college kids (and everybody else, across the board) leave the gear up. So, methinks there is more to it than the training received. Is it some undetectable mind set? Is it a personality trait? It's not a product of a "cavalier, couldn't care less attitude". Guys like that tend to put the gear down. One thing seems to remain constant throughout. Whenever this happens, everyone who knows the poor sot, pretty much always steps in to tell us how professional he is, what a great pilot he is, how they enjoy flying with him. Every time. Perhaps, we should be watching the pilots who appear to be the "steely eyed" professionals? The "goof balls" ain't screwing up? I've yet to read....."the guy was an accident waiting to happen...a really unprofessional pilot....I'd never fly with that guy...." Why is this?
Folks who have accidents, quite often have more than one. I don't think the problem is in training. I don't think the problem is the first 200 hours is in fixed gear airplanes. It's not in "bells, whistles and horns" failing to work....it's something else.
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