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Post by Mclovin »

Ok here is the deal. My car got broken into a few nights ago, and the bastard not oly took a pair of shoes, CDs, change, but also my flight bag which contained my headset, licence and my log book. Now I was just wondering if anyone else on here has lost a log book? It is my second log book, in that it contains 400 hours of flight time of my 1000+.

My concern is that I am applying for jobs and was wondering what to tell a potential employer if they ask to see my log book? Will this hurt me in getting a job? Do a lot of employers ask to see your log book? And what am I supposed to do about applying for an ATPL?

I know that I have a lot of questions, but I really need some advice.

And yes I know Im an idiot for not keeping a back up
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As much as this recommendation will set the hairs on the back of Cat Driver's neck on end and cause him to begin producing excess bile and hijack another thread telling us how corrupt every single person in the country who works for DOT is morally bankrupt, I say contact the folks at your nearest DOT General Aviation section and explain the problem. They have considerable experience with this sort of thing and can tell you how to go about getting your times rebuilt.

Exact same thing happened to me .. some scumbag broke into my car and grabbed my headset, logbook, E6B, charts, the whole shebang in addition to a bunch of cheques that I was taking to the bank for deposit.

Boy I wish I could have caught him and provided a little frontier justice otherwise known as vigilante action. In those days ... being fresh off the single Otter, I could have laid a very painful licking on the little piece of crap. Oh, sorry ... not politically correct these days ... I meant to say I would have accompanied him to his counsellor and expalined that I am aware of his poor childhood and lack of things which made him choose the wrong path, but that if the government would just increase his monthly payment, beer wouldn't be as hard to buy.

You have a few hours of frustrating work ahead, but it will have a proper outcome.

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I know this isn't going to help information_x-ray, little to late......but, for everyone else............

It absolutely boggles my mind how careless some pilots seem to be with with three of their most valuable possessions....headset, licences and log book. They are your lively hood, and it must be a pain in the ass to go through this. Why would you leave them in your car? Cars get broken into, stolen etc. I don't leave my cds in my car, let alone my david clarks! The log book is the real pain, I know a number of people who have lost their log book or had it stolen. MONTHS of work follow, just to re-write, if you were smart enough to keep a back up. Anyway, I'll stop the rant, lets just have some common sense folks, it will save everyone HUGE headaches down the road!
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If it's possible you might be able to go through the journey logs for the last 400 hrs if it's only been a few aircraft at one employer. Also your employer might have some other sort of records. Some computer programs used to track parts in AC also have the log book data of every pilot.
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SkyKing wrote: Why would you leave them in your car? Cars get broken into, stolen etc.
What would you suggest, putting them in a safety deposit box guarded by dogs and motion sensored machineguns?

Seriously man, he didn't leave it ontop of his car... he put it IN his car, and locked them in, what more can you expect? Its rough that he got them stolen, but it isn't his fault.. it's the fault of the ass who stole them. Saying that cars "get broken into" doesn't help anyone. Houses get broken into, does that mean you shouldn't keep a tv there, let alone your all important flight bag... please.

Be a little more productive then critizing a fellow pilot who just had some idiot ruin his day.
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Post by Swamp Donkey »

Why does anybody carry their logbook with them?

Do yourself a favor, leave it at home! Buy a cheap one or use a piece of paper. Record your time for the day, and then fill out your good logbook later!
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As it is "only" 400hrs, which is 2 years of VERY slow work at the outside, I would just do a journey log/flight sheet search. If it was at a company/school now far away I would consider paying a secretary or starving pilot at the place to do it for me.

It is a drag. I had it happen to me. Sooooo......for the last 8 years I have been using a logbook program called Logbook Pro on my laptop. It prints out lovely logbooks and is really helpful filling out those silly (but real) job application questions such as." how much multi-engine instrument time on blue airplanes on the second tuesday of each month over water do you have in the last 57 days?"

If, God forbid, you had your computer stolen, just reinstall the whole shebang on another one from backup.

I took nearly 2 years to input all my times, but I sure sleep better knowing that the times are safe.

It is in an American Jepp. format but you can template it into a Canadian one.
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Post by Jaques Strappe »

X-Ray

Bad luck, sorry to hear it. Be assured that you are not the only one who has gone through this. TC, I hope, will be able to guide you. It may simply be an affidavid, I don't know.

As a back up there is a web based log system to store your info. For anyone interested it is at:

http://www.planelog.com

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Post by TTail »

I was just gonna suggest what "Jaques" said. Obviously this info is of little help to your current situation but for future reference, back it up with computer software, I use "LogBook Pro", I think there are some free ones online, others there are a small fee to purchase but definitely worth it in the end. Not to mention, the software will do those calculations for you that you don't have columns for in the book, for example Night Cross-Country. The more hours you log, the more useful you'll find this kind of software.

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Wadd wrote:
SkyKing wrote: Why would you leave them in your car? Cars get broken into, stolen etc.
What would you suggest, putting them in a safety deposit box guarded by dogs and motion sensored machineguns?

Seriously man, he didn't leave it ontop of his car... he put it IN his car....
I pretty much agree. Don't leave it in plain sight though - put it in your trunk. No sense in advertising it. Sometimes if people see it, they want it.
If you have a car (like I do) with a trunk release switch that is lockable, then that makes it a lot better.

Or you could get a security system with a device like they have in south africa to prevent carjacking: A quater inch - or was it half - blunt steel blade that swings out from under the doors and would easily break the frigger's shins. Teach the little bastard (or -ess) a friggin thing or two. "You take my DC's and logbook, I take your kneecaps"

'Course that's just an idea. :twisted:
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Post by Jaques Strappe »

Sounds to me like you could benefit also from the Trunk Monkey Theft Retrieval system:

http://www.trunkmonkeyad.com/4wmv.htm
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TJ:

Regarding the Canadian template that you have for Logbook Pro... is it some sort of add-on that you downloaded or did you manually customize the fields to make it look and feel like a Canadian logbook ?
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Wadd, as Swamp Donkey and snagmaster_e say, leave it at home, that's what I would expect! Common Sense. Especially if one does not have a backup. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for information_x-ray, that sucks.

Wadd, where do you live, what do you leave in your car? Wallet, signed blank cheques, credit cards, gold bars? PM me, I'll keep it a secret. Is your car a safe place? My house, in my desk is definately safer.

Should we have a poll? Titled "Where do you keep your log book, licences, and headset?"

I'm just trying to shine some light on this, and as the beginning of my original posts says "I know this isn't going to help information_x-ray, little to late......but, for everyone else............ " So, don't tell me to be more productive and not critisize a fellow pilot, as I was not doing that.

Houses do get broken into, but not as frequently as cars. And when they do, jewlery, cash, dvd players, etc. are the target; not someone's log book tucked away in a desk or closet. A bag in plain view in the back seat of a car is going to get snatched. The thief does't care what's in it, it all goes together.

Give your head a shake Wadd, as I said from the start, it's common sense.
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Post by Flying Low »

OK...let's see! I'll start the survey.

Paper logbook stays at home.

Computer logbook also at home with CD back up somewhere else.

DC's in locker at work.

Licence is in the inside pocket on my work jacket (will have to find summer place for it soon).
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Post by Dub »

I'm just starting out but so far as I've filled pages I'm scanning them into my PC. Once you do this you could just hold them on your HD or upload to secure redundant storage etc... Not really very much work and it makes your log book only worth the paper its printed on if ya lose it.
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Ahhh, Flying Low has got the ticket! I hope that's how most people think.
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TJ wrote: It prints out lovely logbooks and is really helpful filling out those silly (but real) job application questions such as." how much multi-engine instrument time on blue airplanes on the second tuesday of each month over water do you have in the last 57 days?"
its funny cause its true!
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Post by Northern Flyer »

Sky king, you sure sound like someone I used to know.

I've oned vehicles for years, in total 36 combined years, and they have never been broken into. I don't even lock the doors, hell half the time the keys are in the ignition. You just have to move to a better neibourhood. :wink:
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This isn't an answer to the original question, but an idea on logbook loss prevention. Personally, I photocopy a bunch of blank pages of my logbook, and I fill those out first as I do flights. When the page is full, then I transcribe it to my logbook. Not only does it prevent errors that are corssed out in your logbook, you can keep the pages in a seperate location than your logbook. I keep my logbook at home, but if for some reason I need to carry it somewhere, I always have the photocopies to fall back on if it is lost.
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Post by R2000/1830 »

Sorry to everyone who has lost a logbook. Just wondering, why are you keeping your logbook in your flight bag. I thought you were not to fly with it and always leave it at home. Anyway I have one of the little $2.95 red logbooks that I transfer to my real logbook at home once every 3 or 4 months.
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X_Ray.. :

Contrary to what Old Fogducker said regarding my attitude you will easily find someone at TC who will help you in a situation such as this, there are many good employees working for TC. all you need do is look around to find them and then keep them as friends for when you need help.

A personal log is very important when you first start out and is something that you should always keep in a safe place.

The most important records will be those needed for upgrading and these you will have to be accurate with as to what you did in any given flight.

As you progress in your career you will tend to forget logging how many minutes you spent flying on instruments or in the dark and from A to B and will just keep track of total hours.

Then way down the road you will finally get tired of logging any time in a personal log book and just keep track of time for your pay if needed.

Anyhow the most simple method that I would suggest is buy a little note book that will fit in a shirt pocket and write your daily time in that, then transfer it to your log at home.

Oh, by the way swearing an affidavit is a legal way to make a declaration as to time, it is just not all that accurate as to exactly what you did on any given flight. :D

Some day I hope you can keep track of the flying you just did with the same paper record that I now use...its green with a picture of George Washington on it... :mrgreen:


All the best and I hope that will be your worst loss in aviation. :wink:

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You flew with George Washington Cat? :shock:
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Yes, many times.

Usually when I get finished flying people give me many pictures of George Washington on US hundred dollar bills and he flys home with me. :D

But sometimes I get pictures of Mrs. Elizabeth Windsor on British pound Sterling and lately it has been pictures on Euros...

A guy's just gotta love that kind of paper work. :D

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KIAS

My mistake. I said Template. I should have said Customize.
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Cat Driver wrote:Usually when I get finished flying people give me many pictures of George Washington on US hundred dollar bills and he flys home with me.
Not to be petty, but Washington is on the one dollar bill. Ben Franklin is on the hundred. The money you have been given is fake. :lol:
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