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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:02 am 
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tjtailwind wrote:
It may not be in direct competition with Air Canada, but it sure is in direct competition with Air Canada Vacations...


Is ACPA going to go after Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet as well for competeing against Air Canada Vacations? :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:04 pm 
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Hey Sask. You might want to add sunwing to your hit list too as signature vacation also used skyservice planes and pilots.



http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/09/2 ... ml?ref=rss

at any rate, good luck to the SS ppl.

I guess there'll be no excuse for hiring foreign pilots now. They better be giving SS pilots direct entry positions or I'm gona be angry, and you won't like me when I'm angry :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:22 pm 
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I cant wait to hear Jazz 8998 HEAVY lol it will be a shocker the first time


You won't...unless they get 767s as well, because the 75 ain't (heavy, that is...)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:34 pm 
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You won't...unless they get 767s as well, because the 75 ain't (heavy, that is...)


I know weight wise the 757 isn't a heavy, but I thought it was designated a heavy for some reason? I honestly can't remember ...

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You are right, the 57 use to be designated a heavy due to the wake vortex, however now that they have the winglets I don't know if it is in this class.


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flyinhigh wrote:
You are right, the 57 use to be designated a heavy due to the wake vortex, however now that they have the winglets I don't know if it is in this class.


Yes still in that class with the winglets.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:20 pm 
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flyinhigh wrote:
You are right, the 57 use to be designated a heavy due to the wake vortex, however now that they have the winglets I don't know if it is in this class.


Yes still in that class with the winglets.

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True for whoever follows them but not when they're taking off behind a heavy, so they don't use the suffix on the R/T.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:47 am 
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Look on the bright side some Skyservice mechanics will be lucky, as they will be getting jobs from this. Jazz mechanics will not be endorsed in time for this because they need 6 months on type experience (courses start in July). This deal could save the airline industry in toronto. with the integration on 757 and q400 there will be a demand in workload...To the pilots..at least you have something to throw into your collective agreement...this 757 will give you guys more leverage with the company...too bad us mechanics got nothing..


That's not accurate. You do not need 6 months on type to hold ACA. You need an AME M2 and a TC approved '57 type course. Type courses for heavies are typically 6-7 weeks, so all the Jazz AME's who require the course will have it in time for the proposed flying season. Of course the Skyservice guys would no doubt be valuable assets to Jazz regardless of this... especially the first year or two.


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what we heard on the eastern side of the country is that Jazz is going to try to get some Heavies guys on board... truth is with the company pay scale, unless they go for contractors, I can not see too many of them getting on board. Let's face it: when looking for a new job, the salary might make a good deal of a difference, and Jazz is not exactly a top paying jobs for AMEs...
Apparently the union has signed some LOUs with the company but we havn't seen them yet.
Time will tell...

Some of the guys will definitely get trained on the 57, but a few guys who have seen them come and go would definitely help.

About having 6 months on type for getting an ACA...

I was hired with 2 endorsments relevant to this company and they did wait 6 months before giving me an ACA. Had to finish probation first. They could make a special case of the 57 guys, although having them around even if they don't actually sign out stuff might be good enough, depending on their state of mind/what they are offered: we should, by the time the 57 arrive, have people who can sign them off...


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tjtailwind wrote:
It may not be in direct competition with Air Canada, but it sure is in direct competition with Air Canada Vacations...


Is ACPA going to go after Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet as well for competeing against Air Canada Vacations? :roll:



Last time I looked Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet didn't get 99% of their revenue from Air Canada....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:48 pm 
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Last time I looked Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet didn't get 99% of their revenue from Air Canada....


Our revenue comes from a CONTRACT with Air Canada .. which means we provide a service and get paid for it. Thats the extent of it ...


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perhaps somebody in the construction industry could correct me if i am way off base

i offer the following scenario

company A is under contract to company B to shingle roofs for a percentage of company B's new houses

company A used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of company B but it is now completely independent and has been doing some adhoc roofing jobs

company A derives 98% of its revenue from it's contract with company B and wishes to diversify and expand

company A is approached by company C who has been working with company D to build houses. company C is no longer interested in maintaining a business relationship with company D due to their debt load.

company A consults with its legal department to determine whether they could do business with company C while adhering to the contract it has with company B. legal says it can.

company C petitions company D into receivership

company A signs an agreement to roof houses for company C

would company B care that company A was roofing houses for company C if this was the construction industry and the agreement between company A and B allowed it?

one would think that all they would care about is whether they living up to the agreement


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:14 pm 
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bcflyer wrote:
Inverted2 wrote:
tjtailwind wrote:
It may not be in direct competition with Air Canada, but it sure is in direct competition with Air Canada Vacations...


Is ACPA going to go after Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet as well for competeing against Air Canada Vacations? :roll:



Last time I looked Canjet, Transat, Sunwing and Westjet didn't get 99% of their revenue from Air Canada....


Yabbut this is completely separate flying from Air Canada. Jazz has every right to seek a more diverse revenue from different customers. Ever hear of the old saying: "Don't put all your eggs in one basket?" If Jazz was required to get 99% of it's revenue from Air Canada, then Jazz would be an owned entity of Air Canada. Just sayin'


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mattedfred wrote:
company A is under contract to company B to shingle roofs for a percentage of company B's new houses

company A used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of company B but it is now completely independent and has been doing some adhoc roofing jobs

company A derives 98% of its revenue from it's contract with company B and wishes to diversify and expand

company A is approached by company C who has been working with company D to build houses. company C is no longer interested in maintaining a business relationship with company D due to their debt load.

company A consults with its legal department to determine whether they could do business with company C while adhering to the contract it has with company B. legal says it can.

company C petitions company D into receivership

company A signs an agreement to roof houses for company C

would company B care that company A was roofing houses for company C if this was the construction industry and the agreement between company A and B allowed it?

one would think that all they would care about is whether they living up to the agreement


Well I think company B may get mad if Company A were to get some nice new shiney hammers that were nicer than company B's. :smt040


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