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Renting an American Aircraft and flying it in Canada

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Has anyone had experience with this?

I am a Canadian Citizen and live on a boarder town in Canada. I possess both a Canadian and American Pilot License. I can rent an American Registered 172 for gas money.

Question:

I want to fly the plane to Canada, clear Customs and then fly throughout Canada.

202.42 TC Regs say no problem. Rock on, but Customs Border Agency or what ever Canada Customs and Revenue is now called are sending mixed signals. Most say you can't fly the plane unless you pay the taxes on the Aircraft and others are saying I don't have to pay taxes on the Aircraft as I am not importing it.

Naturally, I only want to hear that I can fly in Canada without paying taxes on the Aircraft. :lol:

Any comments on this would be most helpful.

I believe it should be akin to renting a car in the US and then driving it in Canada. It used to be that a Canadian Citizen could not do this, but it is my understanding that now we can. Why should the plane be any different?

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You will probably not be required to pay any duties thanks to NAFTA if it is US manufactured. However, there is still paperwork that must be completed and they will probably want GST and/or PST/HST depending on where you live. They will seize and impound the aircraft until the paperwork is completed and any taxes are paid. Exceptions can be given to commercial aircraft on a company by company, aircraft by aircraft basis and you may be able to get a similar approval for a private aircraft. Just make sure you have all the approvals in writing from CC&RA prior to crossing the border.

I know a person who had a car seized. They had American relatives visiting the lower mainland with a small car. The Canadian single vehicle family had a van. Dad had to work and the balance of the two families wanted to go sight seeing. The large group took the van, and dad used the American car to go to work. He got stopped for a routine traffic violation and wound up with the horsemen impounding the car and turning it over to customs. Cost him several thousand dollars in taxes to get it back. However, this was prior to NAFTA.

If they will let you bring it in for free, make sure you do your own CCRA paper work. Customs brokers can charge an arm and a leg for processing the bit of paperwork required. Their fees are normally based on the value of the item, not the taxes or duties owing.
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Not bringing it in...

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As I am not "bringing it in" or importing the aircraft there are no forms to fill out. The only snag left is to pay the taxes on the Aircraft and this is still in dispute.

Let me put it another way. Let’s say you arrive in Houlton Maine USA. The border is at the end of runway 27. You rent a Navigator and cross the border into Canada to visit relatives. Would you expect to pay the HST (15% in the Province of New Brunswick) on the red book value of the Navigator? No.

Information from Canada Customs indicates this was once the case, but as of December 2003, you can drive where ever you want in Canada. Providing this is true (Some Customs officers disagree), how is a rental aircraft any different than a rental car? Both are just a means of conveyance?

The simple fact is that it appears as though things have changed, but I would really like to hear from someone who has taken advantage of the changes. (If even possible)

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Crispy3M. I would research this a little better than here on a forum. Why don't you contact COPA and posibly try to get a written answer from CCRA? I know that, at least in the past, this was not permitted for Canadian Residents (the defining point is country of residency, not country of citizenship). You are correct though-- this issue is one where CCRA dominates and not TC.
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Thanks PJ.

I am fighting with the CCRA as we speak.

I was looking for the "easy way out" and hoping that someone on here had already set a precedent. :roll:

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My condolences, and good luck! :(
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Its going to get complicated why not just fly it in the states get your time and carry on. If the place is close the drive might be worth it
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I've rented a plane in Canada and flown it through the States numerous times. We never had any problems with taxes etc. If you have an American Licence you've met the requirements to be able to rent an american registered plane. When you come to Canada, you're treated as though you're flying your own private aircraft for a trip into and out of another country. They have no right to know what you're arrangements are unless you are planning on keeping the plane in Canada or registering/ selling it here. The taxes will be paid to the company that you are renting from. Canada has no jurisdiction over the income from this plane. I don't forsee a problem unless you start explaining your situation and then the officials will start to look into it and you'll have to wait for the punk at the top of the pole to tell them that its o.k.
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JPC, I think you may have missed the point. The issue is not the rental relationship with the american person or company. It's the fact that a resident of Canada is bring a foreign aircraft into Canada and operating it here. In doing so you are importing the aircraft, even if only for short term use with the intent of ultimately taking it back to the US, and there are laws and regulations that place restrictions on doing so. There is a very good chance that GST, at the very least, would have to be paid based on the value of the airplane (not the rental cost).

As several have recommended, you better have this all sorted out in writing with CCRA before crossing the border.
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Does anyone know a Canadian who owns an American registered plane that is kept in the U.S. I don't think that the Canadian pilot would have to pay taxes for the price of the plane everytime he flew it into his home country.

I have a friend who's Canadian but a flight instructor in the U.S. He's flown U.S. rentals into Canada numerous times. This wasn't considered as importing but rather flight training. If you rent a plane in the U.S. and fly it into Canada without making profit in Canada, there should be no Canadian Jurisdiction over it.

When I flew Canadian registered planes into the U.S. for half a month, there was no question of importing it to the U.S. It's the same as driving your friends American car to Canada and back. It's use is for transportation only.

You are right, it is something that you'd probably rather straighten out now though. That way if you get approached when you do it, you'll have laws and quotes to throw at them.
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Why don't you get the owner to fly it into Canada. He can drive back and let you fly it around as long as you want before you can fly it back. This should eliminate any questions that Customs could possibly have.
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Here is the problem...

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Does anyone know a Canadian who owns an American registered plane that is kept in the U.S. I don't think that the Canadian pilot would have to pay taxes for the price of the plane everytime he flew it into his home country.
Yes, I do in a manner of speaking...

As a Canadian CITIZEN, US law prohibits me from owning an American Registered Aircraft and keeping in the US. The way around this is to form an American Company with a board of 3 directors, two of which must be American Citizens. We have done this and it has worked fine for twelve years now. The problem is that I would now like to take the plane in to Canada and fly it there but can't unless I pay the taxes on the plane as it is considered importation.

Transport Canada 202.42 allows for the plane to be used in Canada however Canadian Border Services Memorandum D2-4-1 is clear when it states that unless you pay the taxes, it ain't gonna happen...

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Memorandum D2-4-1
Ottawa, February 9, 1998

In Brief
Subject
Temporary importation of conveyances by residents of Canada
The attached Memorandum has been adjusted to reflect the legislation and terminology of the 1998 Customs Tariff.


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Memorandum D2-4-1
Ottawa, February 9, 1998

Subject
Temporary importation of conveyances by residents of Canada
This Memorandum outlines and explains the legislation, regulations, and conditions under which residents of Canada are permitted to import conveyances on which duties have not been paid for temporary use in Canada.

Legislation

Customs Tariff

Paragraph 133(d) of the Customs Tariff reads:

133. The Governor in Council may, on the recommendation of the Minister of National Revenue, make regulations

(d) for the purposes of tariff item No. 9802.00.00,

(i) prescribing conditions under which conveyances may be imported,

(ii) limiting the length of time that any imported conveyance may remain in Canada and the use that may be made of the conveyance while it remains in Canada, and authorizing the Minister of National Revenue to extend those limits,

(iii) excluding any class of conveyance from classification under that tariff item, and

(iv) authorizing the Minister of National Revenue to require security for imported conveyances and limit the amount and type of security that may be required.


CHAPTER 98

SPECIAL CLASSIFICATION PROVISIONS – NON COMMERCIAL
Note
5. Goods entitled to be classified under heading No. 98.01, 98.02, 98.03, 98.04 (other than tariff item No. 9804.30.00) or 98.05 shall be relieved from all duties, other than the customs duties imposed under Part 2 of this Act with respect to tariff item No. 9804.30.00, notwithstanding the provisions of this or any other Act of Parliament.

Tariff Description Item of Goods MNFT*
9802.00.00 Conveyances temporarily imported by a resident of Canada to be employed in the international non-commercial transportation of that person and accompanying persons using the same conveyance. Free

* Most Favoured Nation Tariff (MFNT)

Regulations

Regulations respecting temporary importation of conveyances by residents of Canada

Short Title

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Temporary Importation of Conveyances by Residents of Canada Regulations.

Interpretation

2. In these Regulations,

"commuter" means

(a) a resident who is employed by an employer who operates a business in the United States and for whom the employer supplies a conveyance, on which duties have not been paid, for use in connection with that business and for travelling between the resident’s place of employment in the United States and the resident’s residence, and

(b) a resident who operates a business in the United States and who uses a conveyance, on which duties have not been paid, in connection with that business and for travelling between the resident’s place of business in the United States and residence; (travailleur migrant)

"conveyance" means any vehicle, aircraft or other contrivance that is used to move persons or goods, but does not include water-borne craft; (moyen de transport)

"hire or reward" means any payment, consideration, gratuity or benefit directly or indirectly charged, demanded, received or collected by a person for the carriage of passengers or goods; (rémunération ou salaire)

"resident" means a person who, in the settled routine of the person’s life, makes that person’s home, resides and is ordinarily present in Canada. (résident)

Terms and Conditions of Importation of Conveyances


3. A conveyance may be imported if,

(a) the conveyance, while in Canada is to be used solely for the transportation of a resident and accompanying persons from the point of arrival in Canada directly to a specified destination in Canada and from the specified destination to a destination outside Canada;

(b) in the case of a commuter, the conveyance while in Canada is to be used for the personal transportation of the commuter and accompanying persons from the point of arrival in Canada to specified destinations in Canada and from a specified destination in Canada to a destination in the United States;

(c) in the case of a resident other than a commuter, the conveyance is to be imported only for the purpose of transporting his household or personal effects into or out of Canada, or for personal transportation as a result of an emergency or unforeseen contingency;

(d) in the case of a commuter, the conveyance is to be imported for the purpose of personal transportation of the commuter and accompanying persons between his place of residence in Canada and a point in the United States or for the purpose of visiting clients in Canada on behalf of his employer;

(e) the conveyance is not to be used in Canada for the purpose of

(i) touring or other leisure activity,

(ii) carrying passengers or goods for hire or reward,

(iii) transporting goods for sale, or

(iv) soliciting sales or subscriptions on behalf of an employer who operates a business in Canada;

(f) at the time of importation, the person importing the conveyance specifies to the customs officer the date on which that person intends to export the conveyance from Canada; and

(g) the conveyance is exported from Canada within the time limit specified in section 5.

4. REVOKED (SOR/88-84) JANUARY 20, 1988

Time Limits

5. (1) A conveyance may remain in Canada until the expiration of

(a) the intended date of exportation specified pursuant to paragraph 3(f), or

(b) thirty days from the date of its importation, whichever is the earlier.

(2) Where it is impossible or impracticable for a resident to comply with the requirements referred to in subsection (1), the Minister may extend the time during which a conveyance may remain in Canada for any additional period not exceeding sixty days from the date of its importation into Canada.

6. The Minister may require security with respect to a conveyance that is temporarily imported in the form of cash or a certified cheque in an amount not exceeding the duties that would be payable if tariff item No. 9802.00.00 of the List of Tariff Provisions in the Schedule to the Customs Tariff did not apply to that conveyance.



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GUIDELINES AND GENERAL INFORMATION

Residents of Canada

1. Residents of Canada may operate conveyances on which duties have not been paid in Canada only in accordance with the terms and conditions of tariff item No. 9802.00.00 and the regulations made pursuant thereto.

Purpose of Importation

2. Conveyances imported temporarily under these Regulations are admissible for personal transportation only from the point of arrival to a specified destination in Canada and return within 30 days, when the purpose of importation is to transport personally owned goods into or out of Canada.

3. Similarly, customs inspectors may permit importation in instances where a resident is required, due to unforeseen circumstances or emergency reasons, to utilize a conveyance on which duties have not been paid for personal transportation to reach a specified destination in Canada and return.

4. Under no circumstances are conveyances admissible under these Regulations for touring purposes or for other leisure activities in Canada, nor is any local use permitted (e.g., point to point movement in Canada).

5. Customs inspectors will grant free importation of a conveyance under these Regulations only when satisfied that the applicable conditions have been met.

Documentation and Security

6. Form E29B, Temporary Admission Permit, will be issued at the time of arrival, in respect of the conveyance, whether or not a security deposit is deemed necessary. The need for the posting of a refundable security deposit will be determined by customs at the time of importation and such amount will, in no case, exceed the amount of duties otherwise payable on the conveyance.

Time Limit and Storage

7. Conveyances imported temporarily under the provisions of tariff item No. 9802.00.00 must be exported from Canada within the time limit specified. Storage of such conveyances in Canada is not permitted.

Form E29B Issue Time Limit

8. Form E29B may be issued for up to one year in respect of commuter vehicles, provided the duration of the stay for a trip in Canada does not exceed the maximum time limit of 30 days.

Commercial Samples and Deliveries of Goods

9. While commuters are permitted to operate a conveyance under these Regulations for the purpose of visiting clients in Canada in connection with their employment, at no time may such a conveyance be used for the carriage of passengers or goods for hire or reward in Canada. Commercial samples, as described in Memorandum D8-1-13, Commercial Samples Imported Temporarily From a NAFTA Country, may be carried in Canada provided such items are representative samples and are not themselves to be offered for sale. Conveyances imported under these Regulations may not be used to make deliveries of goods to clients in Canada.

Casual Use of Aircraft

10. From time to time, residents of Canada, particularly those who reside near the Canada-U.S. border, have occasion to rent U.S. registered aircraft in the United States for private transportation to and from a destination in Canada. In instances where the intended destination is a customs airport, the "point of arrival" and "destination" for the purposes of tariff item No. 9802.00.00 become one and the same. In such cases, since the aircraft will not be further used in Canada for other than the international outward movement, the usual restrictions described in paragraph 3(c) of the Regulations as to purpose of travel (e.g., movement of household or personal effects, emergency or unforeseen contingency) will not apply. Aircraft in this category which remain in Canada for periods in excess of 24 hours must be accounted for at customs and all applicable duties must be paid.

11. However, in instances where the intended destination in Canada is not a designated customs airport, the pilot must report to the customs authorized airport (AOE) nearest his intended destination in Canada, and may not proceed beyond that point unless all requirements of tariff item No. 9802.00.00 are met. Customs inspectors are to ensure that the purpose of travel is in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 3(c) of the Regulations before allowing the pilot to proceed beyond the point of arrival to the intended destination in Canada.

Inward Reporting of Vessels

12. Waterborne craft are not admissible under the provisions of tariff item No. 9802.00.00. It is recognized however, that residents of Canada who maintain foreign pleasure craft in the United States occasionally report inward at a Canadian port to avail themselves of Canadian goods or services. In such instances, the vessel may not proceed beyond the initial point of reporting and, as such, may not be used in Canada nor for voyages from one Canadian port to another, via international waters. Form E29B, suitably marked "no local use," will be issued for the duration of the visit up to a maximum period of 24 hours, at which time the vessel is to be reported outward, directly to a foreign port.

13. Vessels in this category, which remain in Canada for periods in excess of 24 hours (including those moored or stored), must be accounted for at customs and all duties must be paid.

Penalty Information

14. Failure to comply with the terms and conditions of temporary importation may render a conveyance subject to seizure and/or forfeiture.



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REFERENCES

ISSUING OFFICE –

Trade Policy and Interpretation Directorate
Customs and Trade Administration Branch

LEGISLATIVE REFERENCES –

Customs Tariff, tariff item No. 9802.00.00
SOR/82-840
SOR/93-42

HEADQUARTERS FILE –

H.S. 9802-0
H.S. 9802.00.00

SUPERSEDED MEMORANDA "D" –

D2-4-1, May 26, 1993

OTHER REFERENCES –

D8-1-13
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Re: Here is the problem...

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Crispy3M wrote:
As a Canadian CITIZEN, US law prohibits me from owning an American Registered Aircraft and keeping in the US. The way around this is to form an American Company with a board of 3 directors, two of which must be American Citizens. We have done this and it has worked fine for twelve years now. The problem is that I would now like to take the plane in to Canada and fly it there but can't unless I pay the taxes on the plane as it is considered importation.
Wow, never heard of those reg's.

Are you the sole owner, or is it a three way share???

What if one of the American owners brought the plane into Canada?
Would this change anything? Can an American import something that he owns and doesn't sell, and doesn't make profit on, into Canada?
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