Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Transport Canada suspends Missinippi Airways' Air Operator Certificate

WINNIPEG, Oct. 22, 2011 /CNW/ - Transport Canada has suspended Missinippi Airways' Air Operator Certificate, effective October 21, 2011 at 11:59 p.m. CDT. Without an Air Operator Certificate, a company cannot provide commercial air services in Canada.

This action is based on safety concerns due to deficiencies with the company's Operational Control System identified during Transport Canada's inspection earlier this week. This inspection was scheduled to confirm that corrective actions put in place following a previous suspension in July are working effectively.

Transport Canada has taken this action in the interest of public safety. Transport Canada consulted with Missinippi Airways throughout the period leading up to the suspension. This suspension does not rule out further regulatory action.

Transport Canada will continue to work with Missinippi Airways. The company must demonstrate that it meets all applicable safety regulations before Transport Canada will reissue its Air Operator Certificate.

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204-983-6315

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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Uh-oh!

Is 'missinippi' Cree for 'good-bye'?

Too bad, they looked to have a pretty nice operation.....
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They never had a nice operation. It is a joke show there.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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I always enjoyed my time there. Everyone has their own opinion, hopefully yours has something to back it up.

They are definitely going through some difficulties, but I am sure they will be ironed out with time.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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silverstar wrote:They never had a nice operation. It is a joke show there.
I beg to differ. I flew for Beaver Air/Missinnippi for over 6 years. In my experience it was a well run operation. I haven't worked there for the last 6 or 7 years however. Since I left they have expanded quite a bit, adding multiple aircraft. Also the exploration has died off cutting out their work out of Rankin. So things have obviously changed allot since I left but I had a very positive experience with that company.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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About a year ago, I was doing some consulting work and needed to find a qualified PA31 Training Pilot for my client. I phoned no less than 8 AOC holders in the area who operated PA31s to use their staff for a substantial fee to train one of my client's pilots, who would in turn train the remaining staff.

After discussion, it was determined that none of those called had complete training records indicating they were qualified according to the CARs and CASS except for Missinippi Airways. After a copy of their Training Pilot's records was obtained and closely reviewed for regulatory compliance, my client's staff member was trained, and after other CAP matters were dealt with, the AOC was returned to operational status.

I'd find it interesting to know what aspect of the CAPs developed to deal with PVI deficiencies had not been complied with.

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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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While I do not like to speculate, and this is third hand information so take it at that. I heard it had something to do with de-icing procedures, witnessed by a transport inspector.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Pouring on water and beating it with a broomstick? Or maybe not cleaning it at all because "there wasn't much frost?"

Just a caution to all, by not complying with your COM, you're jeopardizing the employment of everybody at your company. Argue about it behind the scenes, but out in public, do what it says.

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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Deicing/anticing program requirements are in the 703/704 COM (edited) under operational support & services.
You better have them and be following them.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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aren't they a 703 op?
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Usually TC only suspends an OC for two things. Not having the proper paperwork/procedures, or because there has been a terrible crash.

They don't suspend operators for being dangerous, unscrupulous, or carrying out illegal activities unless it results in one of the above conditions.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Didn't they have one just reinstated after it was pulled a few months ago following the Van accident?
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Usually TC only suspends an OC for two things. Not having the proper paperwork/procedures, or because there has been a terrible crash.

They don't suspend operators for being dangerous, unscrupulous, or carrying out illegal activities unless it results in one of the above conditions.
The above is the truth.

The astounding part is they get away with such oversight and are uncountable regardless of the facts.

The public is either unaware of these issues or just don't care.

A recent result of TCCA's unaccountability is the alleged pay out to Sonic Blue of five million dollars of our money, with zero accountability to the taxpayer.

Canada is an amazing country, where the population is so ignorant of where their tax money is spent.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Cat Driver wrote:

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 Canada is an amazing country, where the population is so ignorant of where their tax money is spent.[/quote]

Really?

I don't think it's all that unique to Canada. If you told people from any developed country, I'm sure they would be astonished to know where their tax dollars go at times.

What amazes me is a government that effectively looses an election still remains in power. And we still call it democracy.
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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High and Behind wrote:
"What amazes me is a government that effectively looses an election still remains in power. And we still call it democracy."


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pollyperkins wrote:High and Behind wrote:
"What amazes me is a government that effectively looses an election still remains in power. And we still call it democracy."


+1


Please explain to me how they effectively lost the election ? May 2 was pretty clear, no ?
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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some whine away because Canada uses the first past the post in elections. a word of caution about proportional representation
you might not like what you get either very little gets done compared to our system gridlock or a prepetual state of minority
that is partly why the debt crisis in europe exsists gov't in order to form cololitions have to promise more spending usually and europe is so far in the ditch it will take 40 +yrs of 0% spending increases just to get back to where they were i 1980 so much for the grand kids higher education. we are 550 billion in the ditch too and 9.3 million baby boomers eligable for retirement in the next 15 yrs with only 6 million taxpayer to replace them!! guess what unless we too go on a hard diet of less is more for a 10 yrs before the last boomers exit stage left . kids will be royally screwed .

.NOW back to the thread. sky north ,molson air, perimeter, cdn flyers will pick up the medvac slack and the oc will remain in limbo until the culture internally changes "the its good enough " obviously didnt work tc is looking for perfection especially after the fatal accident , to do it otherwise is well ummm economic disaster .

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Why did they get shut down? Anybody know?
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High and Behind wrote:
What amazes me is a government that effectively looses an election still remains in power. And we still call it democracy.
It IS democracy man. Just because you don't like who won, it isn't the fault of the system. What the hell is 'effectively losing' anyhow? The CPC won this last election with a greater percentage of the vote then when the LPC 'won' in 1997 and 2004. Did the LPC 'effectively lose' those ones too? Oh sorry, I forgot visceral hate of Harper trumps all logic... :roll:
Justjohn wrote: Please explain to me how they effectively lost the election ? May 2 was pretty clear, no ?
They can't. All they know is they don't like the guy who won and will grasp at anything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. Lets call it being 'effectively retarded' ;)
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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Just wondering. In theory. Does TC have the authority to suspend the OC of a company designated as an "essential" service? Just wondering if they would have the "balls' to suspend a company like Wasaya? (this is in no way a shot at Wasaya.....just using them as an example) It would be interesting.
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No such designation as "Essential Service" Doc.

If an entity holds an AOC, they are subject to having it "popped" if the responsible people fail to meet the required standards. That goes for everything from Air Canada down to a single airplane mom and pop fly out fishing lodge operator. If TC issued it, TC can take it back for cause.

In the days when I was still trying to climb the bottom of the greasy pole of Canadian Aviation, all it took to avoid an AOC suspension was a quick call by the operator to his MP, and within an hour the inspection team would receive a call from Ottawa telling them to pack up and head for home.

The Dubin Inquiry Into Aviation Safety went a long way toward putting an end to that way of doing business. One of the companies in the Dubin Report was infamous for doing that, and I have first-hand observational experience. Having quaffed a few beers with now elderly and long retired operational Air Carrier Inspectors who were yanked off the property when they were in the middle of finding evidence of serious wrong-doing, its disappointing to have to say its true.

So could Wasaya get suspended? Of course.

However, AOC "Notice of Suspension" forms are not whipped out of the reqgional office with the speed of a Las Vegas Blackjack dealer.

The first step following or during an inspection is almost always the generation of a list of deficiencies with a time period for rectification ... generally 30 days, but could be as short as seven days, or in extreme examples of problems found, it could be an immediate suspension based on an immediate threat to aviation safety ... such as falsified pilot training records, aircraft flown beyond inspection intervals, ADs not complied with, unqualified staff that doesn't meet the experience or licence requirements, as a few examples.

The next step is development of a company Corrective Action Plan (CAP) and a subsequent follow up inspection to ensure the company has actually accomplished what they said they would do in the accepted CAPs ... if not, then its "Pop Goes The Weasel" for the AOC because the people doing the promising of things in the CAPs are either lying buggers that can't be trusted for a microsecond, or are incompetant, or aren't being given sufficient resources to work with to do the job that was promised..... or a combination of all three.

Here's a little video that shows how the system works .... the monkey is Transport Canada .... the weasel is .... well, the weasel is the weasel that holds an AOC and is in non-compliance, then lies about what he's going to do to fix things up ...

http://youtu.be/ShX8AUnuhPA

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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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I'm not going to derail the thread any more than I already have with my interpretation of the Canadian electoral system. Oldandcold has done it for me.

Back to topic
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oldncold wrote:we are 550 billion in the ditch too and 9.3 million baby boomers eligable for retirement in the next 15 yrs with only 6 million taxpayer to replace them!! guess what unless we too go on a hard diet of less is more for a 10 yrs before the last boomers exit stage left . kids will be royally screwed .
5.5 billion in the hole 'cuz the neocons gave it their corporate bros who pretend they will save the world by employing everyone (good luck), meanwhile your pension plan goes to repay the debt and the unions are blamed for the cost of living being out of control...lovely system :roll: ...anyhoo, here is the latest news from the braintrust...

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 4-1369.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 5-1368.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 6-1381.htm
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Re: Missinippi Airways' AOC suspended - 22 Oct 2011

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I guess this is an end to any serious discussion regarding the Missinippi AOC suspension thread.
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The Old Fogducker wrote:No such designation as "Essential Service" Doc.
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Again, just using Wasaya as an example. This company's employees are forbidden from taking strike action(even though there are within CALPA) do the the fact they are designated an "essential service". So, how would TC go about circumventing this designation? I'm just curious, and for once not trying to stir up shit. To me, suspending an "essential service" would be like suspending the operating certificate of the OPP???? Please explain this to me. I'm thinking a bunch of Wasaya pilots would be pretty interested in the answer as well?
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