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International Pilot Shortage

Post by Panama Jack » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:39 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/asian-pi ... ge-2011-12

To the usual cynics on this Forum- bugger-off. Our summer vacations and December vacations were cancelled because we don't have enough people to crew the flights and our monthly schedules have the legally minimum allowable number of days off. About every two weeks I get an unsolicited invitation to apply for a job with other companies.
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Post by Nark » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:06 pm

Tell your daggon HR department to give me a call then.

My resume is on file!


On an actual serious note, two classmates of mine are over there now. One had 3 interviews and was offered 3 jobs by various ME companies, the other took a 777 FO spot with a well known long-haul carrier.

Just like back in 05/06 if you had a heartbeat, you were qualified. It's starting to look like that now. Good luck on getting a vacation.
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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by jetsetfly » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:17 pm

A potentially even graver shortage looms of maintenance personnel, aviation groups say. Boeing forecasts that Asia will need a quarter-million new technicians over the next two decades, up from about 46,500 now.

...and yet airlines like emirates wont hire maintenance as they need current experience on there fleet goodluck with finding people with that sort of current experience
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Post by trey kule » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:26 pm

Similar experience with our company, though we have been in hiring and training mode for a few months now, so the future does not look to bad.

The maintenance is a big issue. Companies are looking at the US military model for maintenance.

The problem for north america is that the overseas companies are taking the experience, and paying well for it...And while that means some rapid advancement for new pilots, it also means less experience in the cockpit.
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Post by Edi » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:53 am

I agree the shortage is in Asia, but it's interesting to know how many canadian pilots are leaving the homeland and go to work overseas. At the level of experience the asian airlines demand, they need to have already few thousands hours on airline jet and that means over 30 years old, family, kids, credits etc.
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Post by slowstream » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:38 am

I am off to HKG next week for a second interview and have a few others coming up, all in Asia. I've been watching the demand growing and the requirements changing steadily over the past 6months.

The deals there are far superior to anything we would ever see here. I have a ok job here with good crews but the package is night and day, so how can I not look at it? In some cases double and triple what I make here, direct entry Captain, commutable and paid for, better time off, accommodations paid, annual bonuses and or contract completion bonuses.

I know the Middle East is busting lose too but for me its no where I want to be, too unstable.

So yeah a huge international pilot shortage and its growing daily, but don't forget an economic meltdown could bring that all to a halt overnight

BTW Nark, according to a few of my friends at Dragon no hiring yet
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Post by Wacko » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:21 pm

A pilot shortage is like saying there's not enough people in Canada to fill the demand even though there's only growth in the prairie provinces and there's substantial unemployment in the country. You guys should really quantify this stuff.. how many hours and what kind of experience do you have that you're getting unsolicited job offers? I can guarantee you that most guys with under 1000 hours are still hard up and those with 200 are only offered ramp positions.
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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by Colonel Sanders » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:38 pm

Indeed. There is always a "shortage" of skilled, experienced pilots
with 5000TT and thousands of hours as PIC on type, who are
willing to work for crap wages in sh1tty places :wink:
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Post by N2 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:56 pm

Yes indeed and the Slap Chop is a finely crafted, quality kitchen appliance also!
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Post by Chuck Yeagermister » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:24 pm

Slowstream,

Just wondering if you went through a job placement agency or did you apply directly. Also wondering what you know about companys over there ie who to avoid etc.... I have a type rating on the A-330 unfortunately with not much time on type. Previous to this EX-Jazz lots of Jet, 705 exp.

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Post by trey kule » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:03 am

who are
willing to work for crap wages in sh1tty places
Interesting comment about crap wages and shitty places.
Better wages by far in Asia, and the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town Ontario.
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Post by I WAS Birddog » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 am

trey kule wrote:
Interesting comment about crap wages and shitty places.
Better wages by far in Asia, and the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town Ontario.
BEST REPLY POST OF IT'S KIND EVERRRRR on this site.
Not sure what why young people won't just leave the nest and spread their wings.
living here is absolutely killing me when amazing opportunities are a mouse click away from sending my CV's. My excuse is I have an 80 year kid to care for (mother) which I promised my best friend (father) I would care for until her end days. Once life changes....I WILL BE GONE NEVER EVER to see another snow flake ever again!!!! Hopefully this "shortage" will still be going on.

It drives me nuts to see talented, good guys/gals staying behind because of their girlfriends/boyfriends. THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD of girlfriends/boyfriends to be had you low attention span having mother phuquers ;) Heck you can have a new one every night if you're not overly douchy. :) *whoa...did I just vomit that out online*

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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by Expat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:01 am

I WAS Birddog wrote:
trey kule wrote:
Interesting comment about crap wages and shitty places.
Better wages by far in Asia, and the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town Ontario.
It drives me nuts to see talented, good guys/gals staying behind because of their girlfriends/boyfriends. THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD of girlfriends/boyfriends to be had you low attention span having mother phuquers ;)
...and wives...
especially in Asia.
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Post by . ._ » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:08 am

I kinda like where I am, but I'd work in Asia for a year to check it out for a $200,000 contract.

I wonder if they'd be interested in a 40+ year old with an expired Multi-IFR, 260 hours and a float rating. :smt017

If yes, then there would definitely be a shortage. :smt045
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Post by Expat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:12 am

istp wrote:I kinda like where I am, but I'd work in Asia for a year to check it out for a $200,000 contract.

I wonder if they'd be interested in a 40+ year old with an expired Multi-IFR, 260 hours and a float rating. :smt017

If yes, then there would definitely be a shortage. :smt045
I did not even have the multi... :smt040
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Post by Colonel Sanders » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:47 pm

the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town
One man's dogsh1t is another man's fertilizer (shrug).
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Post by yycflyguy » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:11 pm

My excuse is I have an 80 year kid to care for (mother) which I promised my best friend (father) I would care for until her end days.
Was that the most endearing post ever made by IABD?

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Post by I WAS Birddog » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:09 am

Expat wrote:
I WAS Birddog wrote:
trey kule wrote:
Interesting comment about crap wages and shitty places.
Better wages by far in Asia, and the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town Ontario.
It drives me nuts to see talented, good guys/gals staying behind because of their girlfriends/boyfriends. THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD of girlfriends/boyfriends to be had you low attention span having mother phuquers ;)
...and wives...
especially in Asia.
Wives? As in plural!? Haha YOU'RE LIVIN' THE DREAM ;)
It always baffles me that this IS the best industry for opportunity for adventure. Yet these young peyeOHlets prefer to move to Terminal 4 (Barrie Ontario) slugging up and down the 400 for $35k a year!!! Might as well be a plumber then. Low expectation Kraft Dinner eating khaki pants wearing married & miserable weight gaining crew meal eating chumps!!

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Post by I WAS Birddog » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:10 am

yycflyguy wrote:
My excuse is I have an 80 year kid to care for (mother) which I promised my best friend (father) I would care for until her end days.
Was that the most endearing post ever made by IABD?

Nicely done.
Shhhhh you're making me look soft on here ;)
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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by slowstream » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:04 am

. Yeagermister wrote:Slowstream,

Just wondering if you went through a job placement agency or did you apply directly. Also wondering what you know about companys over there ie who to avoid etc.... I have a type rating on the A-330 unfortunately with not much time on type. Previous to this EX-Jazz lots of Jet, 705 exp.

Thanks!
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HKG was with the airline itself, I have two others that I am also entertaining as well but they are through a agency. Right now the agency jobs have a much better package so I have some figuring, some negotiating and some decisions to do and make.

As for which companies to avoid that can be tough, best recommendation is get to know loads of people who you cab solicit for information and opinions. You will wants lots of people because not everyone has the same circumstances and values as you will, its sort of like comparing apples to oranges.

The best I can tell you right now is to watch out for Eva and Hong Kong Airlines, and as soon as I post this someone will post that they're great operators, which attests to what I just said.

Asia is going gang busters right now, airlines (like Dragon) advertising for crews that have not looked for crews in years. Personally for me, I agree with Birddog the money, conditions and benefits are better in Asia.

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Post by Expat » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:55 am

Overseas work gets better with time, as one learns the culture, may be even the language, and slowly settles down. Then you grow a circle of co workers, friends, etc...
You get used to the food, atmosphere, weather, plusses and minusses of the country...
Life just gets easier, and better by the day. :D
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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by mgeni » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:51 pm

Colonel Sanders wrote:
the lifestyle and place , in my opinion, beats the heck out of being in small town
One man's dogsh1t is another man's fertilizer (shrug).
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Post by I_Heart_Seaplanes » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:43 pm

Wacko wrote: I can guarantee you that most guys with under 1000 hours are still hard up and those with 200 are only offered ramp positions.
Not from where I'm sitting. This summer, myself as well as two good friends got jobs on the coast with 200-300hrs. Operators that didn't used to give the time of day are now returning phone calls and actually sounding interested.
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Re: International Pilot Shortage

Post by . ._ » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:48 am

:shock:

That's good news! :supz:
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