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Ornge-The truth is emerging (finally)
So; Ornge uses taxpayer's money to start a for-profit company(s). Bilk investors into buying bonds under the premiss that you can give "yourself" contracts that the Ontario taxpayer is paying for. Then go buy new helicopters and get a nice kick back of 6.7 million. And you have the audacity to say that your salary is not reportable? Isn't that illegal?
While Ornge says that they have "other" income, they have next to nothing except for the cash on hand that suckers er..investors invested in Ornge.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... ances?bn=1
While Ornge says that they have "other" income, they have next to nothing except for the cash on hand that suckers er..investors invested in Ornge.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... ances?bn=1
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That's peanuts compared to the billions Dalton McGuinty blew
on "green energy", and the billions Alan Rock blew on the Federal
Gun Registry. British submarines, anyone?
Concern yourself with the billions, and the millions will take care
of themselves, I always say.
on "green energy", and the billions Alan Rock blew on the Federal
Gun Registry. British submarines, anyone?
Concern yourself with the billions, and the millions will take care
of themselves, I always say.
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I believe it is the other way around. Look to your pennies, and the pounds will take care of themselves
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Maybe some truth will start coming out reagarding that Alberta not for profit organization with the red choppers.
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They have PR spinsters to ensure that will not happen..loopy wrote:Maybe some truth will start coming out reagarding that Alberta not for profit organization with the red choppers.
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Personally, I can live with whatever skeletons Ornge and Stars have in their closets, they provide an essential service for those provinces, but thats just me. People will always milk systems and get rich, no way around it.
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Looks like Mazza pissed off someone at the Star. Now theres gonna be a PR nightmare at Ornge demanding apologies and such. Serves Mazza right, he is in this to get rich, why cant people understand that. He is using Ontarians as his start up capital.
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So happy you can live with the "essential service" that was being handled just fine thank you, before Ornge came into play, resulting in privately owned operations cutting back and laying off pilots. Glad you're good with that. Your background in the medevac business would be.....?flyby17 wrote:Personally, I can live with whatever skeletons Ornge and Stars have in their closets, they provide an essential service for those provinces, but thats just me. People will always milk systems and get rich, no way around it.
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... and replacing them with better paying and more secure jobs for pilots and other staff members. Hopefully you also agree that minimizing the role of some of these scrupulous privately owned operations that operated flights despite weather restrictions, only to return back to the point of origin, is a good thing. That being said, not all of the privately owned operations were scrupulous of course, but some definitely were.Doc wrote: So happy you can live with the "essential service" that was being handled just fine thank you, before Ornge came into play, resulting in privately owned operations cutting back and laying off pilots.
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Don't you mean Unscrupulous?
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?
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Tis the way of life, Doc. What is your real issue here? Having a provincial medevac system like Ornge operating, crushing medevac contract competitions, or having some crusty old doctor making a profit off of taxpayers money?Doc wrote:So happy you can live with the "essential service" that was being handled just fine thank you, before Ornge came into play, resulting in privately owned operations cutting back and laying off pilots. Glad you're good with that. Your background in the medevac business would be.....?flyby17 wrote:Personally, I can live with whatever skeletons Ornge and Stars have in their closets, they provide an essential service for those provinces, but thats just me. People will always milk systems and get rich, no way around it.
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I don't think that Ornge will survive the public scrutiny now on them. Too much wrong doing and what may be illegal transactions. Politicians will want the problem to go away and very quickly. The Health Minister is finally aware that things smell like a rotten Ornge.
And Ornge has now been "targeted"...remember EHealth? Here is today's new story: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... -idle?bn=1
MOH will probably take the administration of Air Ambulance back under its wing and restructure. That will leave Ornge "Global" out in the cold. I can also see the "investors" wondering what happened to their supposed guaranteed investment once Ornge loses control of dolling out money.
BTW: The management agreement give the MOH the right to take control of the OCC with NO notice and Ornge with 30 days notice.
And Ornge has now been "targeted"...remember EHealth? Here is today's new story: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... -idle?bn=1
MOH will probably take the administration of Air Ambulance back under its wing and restructure. That will leave Ornge "Global" out in the cold. I can also see the "investors" wondering what happened to their supposed guaranteed investment once Ornge loses control of dolling out money.
BTW: The management agreement give the MOH the right to take control of the OCC with NO notice and Ornge with 30 days notice.
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Yes I do, that's what being tired doesNorth Shore wrote:Don't you mean Unscrupulous?
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Well I hope ORNGE or Mazza gets his or there just cause and is placed in front of a committee to answer where the money has been going.
It's obvious that instead of money going into hiring Paramedics and staffing, he is more concerned with opening "Super Bases" in Ontario and staffing it minimally with all the latest in toys!
When this was contracted to the private sector. X amount of dollars was paid to ensure each plane/heli was staffed with pilots and medics. Not how it goes now with two medics for two aircraft depending on the need.
It's obvious that instead of money going into hiring Paramedics and staffing, he is more concerned with opening "Super Bases" in Ontario and staffing it minimally with all the latest in toys!
When this was contracted to the private sector. X amount of dollars was paid to ensure each plane/heli was staffed with pilots and medics. Not how it goes now with two medics for two aircraft depending on the need.
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Paul Sr. is a doctor?flyby17 wrote:Tis the way of life, Doc. What is your real issue here? Having a provincial medevac system like Ornge operating, crushing medevac contract competitions, or having some crusty old doctor making a profit off of taxpayers money?Doc wrote:So happy you can live with the "essential service" that was being handled just fine thank you, before Ornge came into play, resulting in privately owned operations cutting back and laying off pilots. Glad you're good with that. Your background in the medevac business would be.....?flyby17 wrote:Personally, I can live with whatever skeletons Ornge and Stars have in their closets, they provide an essential service for those provinces, but thats just me. People will always milk systems and get rich, no way around it.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Now back to the originally scheduled bickering.
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I know you meant "unscrupulous", and I'd sure like to see the list of unscrupulous operators to whom you refer?ng78 wrote: Hopefully you also agree that minimizing the role of some of these scrupulous privately owned operations that operated flights despite weather restrictions, only to return back to the point of origin, is a good thing. That being said, not all of the privately owned operations were scrupulous of course, but some definitely were.
While we're on the subject of operating flights "despite weather restrictions...", I flew several so called "medevacs" in weather that was well below approach limits at the destination airport, under the direct orders/and threats of losing future business by Ontario Medcom. We'd tell them we could NOT get in, they'd reply......"Go anyway, it might be Okay when you get there....." Or words to that effect.
Still like to see that list....or in your eyes, is every operation not run by the tax payer's dollars, "unscrupulous"?
For your information, EVERY one of these so called "unscrupulous" operators flew TWIN ENGINE aircraft, under the direct requirements of the Ontario medevac system. This seems to be a requirement lifted for the sole benefit of Ornge? All other operators are STILL to provide twin turbine pressurized aircraft. I put to you, this is one more example of Ornge not being required to follow the same rules of the game as everyone else. Not a very level playing field, now is it? Okay. Air Bravo has PC12's....but they couldn't very well exclude the PC12, now could they?
I have nothing against the pilots I've met at Ornge. Nice folks, all. Ornge itself has no right to exist.
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Comments from the Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... 1#comments
"... work for a for-profit consulting company..."
This is where these corrupted bureaucrats are channeling the taxpayers' money for those paramedics to. There is no such thing as a "non profit company". They're just playing with the figures. Make sure you give yourself and your "executives" high enough salaries and bonuses to balance the books, then you have yourself whatever "non profit" organization you want to call it. What's going to happen next ? ORNGE will disappear overnight. But only to be replaced by APLE. So long as you quietly let these perpetrator of corruptions out through the back door, everything remains the same. Except there will be "new rules for this new company", these corrupted bureaucrats is going to tell you. What's going to happen next from next. They will start selling their scam abroad. That's when they will tarnish the image of Canada when caught. Corruptions hurt everybody, including the image of a nation. When fighting corruptions, the term "non profit" always sounds the first alarm bell. The scam that these bureaucrats are using here is a rather primitive one. The fact that it hasn't been detected sooner demonstrates that corruptions are severe and widespread in Canada. There is an urgent need to fight corruptions in this country. If you have no law for corruptions or want to save face, at least charge these people with money laundering. Both crimes are eye sores to a nation's image.
"... work for a for-profit consulting company..."
This is where these corrupted bureaucrats are channeling the taxpayers' money for those paramedics to. There is no such thing as a "non profit company". They're just playing with the figures. Make sure you give yourself and your "executives" high enough salaries and bonuses to balance the books, then you have yourself whatever "non profit" organization you want to call it. What's going to happen next ? ORNGE will disappear overnight. But only to be replaced by APLE. So long as you quietly let these perpetrator of corruptions out through the back door, everything remains the same. Except there will be "new rules for this new company", these corrupted bureaucrats is going to tell you. What's going to happen next from next. They will start selling their scam abroad. That's when they will tarnish the image of Canada when caught. Corruptions hurt everybody, including the image of a nation. When fighting corruptions, the term "non profit" always sounds the first alarm bell. The scam that these bureaucrats are using here is a rather primitive one. The fact that it hasn't been detected sooner demonstrates that corruptions are severe and widespread in Canada. There is an urgent need to fight corruptions in this country. If you have no law for corruptions or want to save face, at least charge these people with money laundering. Both crimes are eye sores to a nation's image.
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Re: Ornge-The truth is emerging (finally)
I'm going to vomit. No..wait....YES. I am.
Until Canadians kick it 'olde school' and pick up pitchforks and take ALL of this $h!t back...it's useless.
I'll be in Tibet herding yak if anyone needs me.
Until Canadians kick it 'olde school' and pick up pitchforks and take ALL of this $h!t back...it's useless.
I'll be in Tibet herding yak if anyone needs me.
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