Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

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Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Brown Bear » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Talked to a pilot today who actually claimed he didn't care if his aircraft was "sand blasted", stating..."It needs paint anyway..." It was very poorly parked. He didn't care. Honey Badger don't give a shit.
Same guy stated an accident happened because "once the strip was in sight, a missed approach could not have been carried out because he wouldn't have GOT THE JOB DONE....." Seriously? Are some of you people really retarded??? BTW, THREE people DIED in the accident......and this guy figured it was all about "getting the job done...."
Comments welcome....I don't make this stuff up.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by BTyyj » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:33 pm

Not sure if this is a lack of airmanship or just a lack of intelligent, common sense, and in the first case, simply laziness.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Cat Driver » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:42 pm

For sure such individuals should never be flying period.....never mind commercially.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by iflyforpie » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:58 pm

What do you mean 'where has it gone?' There are volumes of accident reports and a planet full of wrecked aircraft from the beginning of aviationdom related to poor airmanship.

Just saying, not excusing the behaviour.
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Post by Meatservo » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:28 pm

Don't start this shit again. I can tell you what's going to happen. I will come on here blaming it on poor testing and Transport Canada, . will come on here and blame it on "kids these days" and Transport Canada, and "colonel Sanders" will come on here and show us a video of a wicked airshow performance. The thread will go to about three pages long until someone blames it on Air Canada, a fight will start, "colonel Sanders" will post another great video, and then it will be over. Then you'll go to work and get sandblasted.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Doc » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:37 pm

Meatservo wrote:Don't start this shit again. I can tell you what's going to happen. I will come on here blaming it on poor testing and Transport Canada, . will come on here and blame it on "kids these days" and Transport Canada, and "colonel Sanders" will come on here and show us a video of a wicked airshow performance. The thread will go to about three pages long until someone blames it on Air Canada, a fight will start, "colonel Sanders" will post another great video, and then it will be over. Then you'll go to work and get sandblasted.
Meat! Got to be honest with you mate, that was the funniest post I've seen in a very long time. And....it's SO true!
There really is no way to stop pilots from being stupid. Some just are. And, I'm outta here, on this one.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Dr. Mcillicuddy » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:49 pm

abobly up on the roof sorting airmail
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by cdnpilot77 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:48 pm

Brown Bear wrote:Talked to a pilot today who actually claimed he didn't care if his aircraft was "sand blasted", stating..."It needs paint anyway..." It was very poorly parked. He didn't care. Honey Badger don't give a shit.
Same guy stated an accident happened because "once the strip was in sight, a missed approach could not have been carried out because he wouldn't have GOT THE JOB DONE....." Seriously? Are some of you people really retarded??? BTW, THREE people DIED in the accident......and this guy figured it was all about "getting the job done...."
Comments welcome....I don't make this stuff up.
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The things that came out of his mouth was some of the craziest sh&t I have heard a pilot say!
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by 126.7_STFU » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:12 pm

Meatservo wrote:Don't start this shit again. I can tell you what's going to happen. I will come on here blaming it on poor testing and Transport Canada, . will come on here and blame it on "kids these days" and Transport Canada, and "colonel Sanders" will come on here and show us a video of a wicked airshow performance. The thread will go to about three pages long until someone blames it on Air Canada, a fight will start, "colonel Sanders" will post another great video, and then it will be over. Then you'll go to work and get sandblasted.

More....


I nearly soiled myself.

Thank you for that ! Can't wait for the airshow video !
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by robertsailor1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:43 pm

Just spit my tea out....too funny
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Panama Jack » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:46 pm

Meatservo, you have a great sense of humor (and great observation skills).
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by rapid602 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:28 pm

The comments above were funny, but, if in fact aviation and airmanship skills are not what we are used to, how much of that stems from the lack of respect that seems to be growing in leaps and bounds, the lack of pride that seems to be in the work place, and the flying schools setting higher standards for the students that fly their aircraft. When I was learning to fly there was more than one guy hauled into the office and told "do it again and you can go to the other school and wreck their planes" I worked the desk for a flying school and was told several times ..." Do not rent an aircraft to him ... tell him to call me ( the owner ) if he needs to know why.... "

I truly beleive that deep down if someone commits to TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN & ACTUALLY GIVES A SH#T ... the cream will rise to the top. Some fancy public speaker says all the time "things will get better ... when you get better "

I honestly believe that if you take pride in what you do, demand the best from yourself, and really put in the effort to be the best you can be .... Those skills will shine through in your flying ... and I bet its contagious ... just as oh well, its good enough, deal with it attitudes that seem to be growing in popularity.

I don't have a video for here ...
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by Colonel Sanders » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:30 pm

You didn't like the F-104 video? Pity. I thought it was an incredible display of airmanship.
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Post by rapid602 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:36 pm

Colonel Sanders wrote:You didn't like the F-104 video? Pity. I thought it was an incredible display of airmanship.
Was that directed at me ???
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by rapid602 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:47 pm

That video was great ... music rocked !!! I like the guy with the big hands. !!!
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by MacStork » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:52 am

HAHAHAHAHA! HILARIOUS!!! Great post ...... it should remind us all that we should NEVER lose our sense of humour!
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by flyinthebug » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:52 am

Meatservo wrote:Don't start this shit again. I can tell you what's going to happen. I will come on here blaming it on poor testing and Transport Canada, . will come on here and blame it on "kids these days" and Transport Canada, and "colonel Sanders" will come on here and show us a video of a wicked airshow performance. The thread will go to about three pages long until someone blames it on Air Canada, a fight will start, "colonel Sanders" will post another great video, and then it will be over. Then you'll go to work and get sandblasted.
LMFAO!!!! I nominate this for "Best post of the decade on AvCanada!!!! :) Well stroked Meat! and BANG ON correct!! lol. :lol:
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Post by Beefitarian » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:29 am

Cat Driver wrote:For sure such individuals should never be flying period.....never mind commercially.
I have no problem with him flying cargo to airstrips with no other traffic. I don't think he should have to get an airworthiness certificate even. If he thinks the plane will make it, let him try.

All these safety laws like helmets, seat belts, no smoking while fueling the plane... Those should all be taken off the books, they're messing with natural selection.

If he ever has passengers they should just be provided with full disclosure.

"The pilot of this flight does not care about the safety of the plane and especially you.
We think he's great because he "Get's the job done!"
If you require a different flight with a compitent crew there will be no extra charge but you will need to wait.
If you've got the balls to go up with this dummy please sign the waiver.
Notice all forms of insurance are void for this flight."
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by BverLuver » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:47 am

Meatservo, your comments are very funny and very astute, however back on topic. Owners/CP's of the 702/703 world, does the attitude displayed by this pilot (which I am sure is not singular in nature) not scare you to no end knowing they are out there flying YOUR airplanes and YOUR customers? If it were my equipment-customers-company-reputation on the line, this would be a real big eye opener. I am very curious as to who this pilot was flying for and whether it is company culture or just plain ignorance in the younger generation taking the lead here.

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Post by Beefitarian » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:00 am

There has allways been some guys like that Bverlover. I bet . has stories from before I was birthed about guys willing to take the chance to "get the job done."

I think they tended to keep a bit more quiet about it in the past because it was not accepted by most pilots.
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Post by BTyyj » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:33 pm

BverLuver wrote:or just plain ignorance in the younger generation taking the lead here.
I don't think ignorance and lack of intelligence is exclusive to the younger generation. It's true that only recently, humans have stopped allowing natural selection to take its course, but there are still intelligent and unintelligent persons within both the younger and older generation. For example, why does it take you old people soooooo longer to figure out how to use a computer ??? :grin:
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Post by Meatservo » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:07 pm

You were probably thinking of "Strumpets".

Back on topic, I can't believe I'M saying this, but don't blame the "younger generation". I worked with a VERY high time and experienced guy a couple of years ago who is now in his sixties, and we were talking about the weather and he said "I never turn back. If I leave, I'm getting in. I don't ever turn back". I never quite knew what to make of this, because he DID decide not to do the trip at all because the weather was bad. So I'm not 100% sure what he was talking about, but I'm glad he's not giving this advice to younger pilots.
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Post by Brown Bear » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:14 pm

Meatservo wrote:You were probably thinking of "Strumpets".

Back on topic, I can't believe I'M saying this, but don't blame the "younger generation". I worked with a VERY high time and experienced guy a couple of years ago who is now in his sixties, and we were talking about the weather and he said "I never turn back. If I leave, I'm getting in. I don't ever turn back". I never quite knew what to make of this, because he DID decide not to do the trip at all because the weather was bad. So I'm not 100% sure what he was talking about, but I'm glad he's not giving this advice to younger pilots.
Then you didn't really "listen" to him there, Meat. He probably meant, that if he launched in the first place, it's because he knows he'll get in. And in these cases, he knows he'll never have to turn back, making his original statement correct.
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by rapid602 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:07 am

Short Version of a Long VERY TRUE STORY

Once upon a time, I owned a motor bike, I let my best friend and flying instructor ride it... I would have let him fly my plane ... I never let anyone not even my brother ride my bike...
He took it for a ride, out of sight went too fast on a hill hit a bus and died. I had to go to his funeral and meet his family ( That SUCKED) .... time goes by and I buy another motorbike.

Here comes my mother, "why did you buy that, they kill people" blah blah, I said look at it sitting there, "how does it kill people" she said "its not running". So I sat on it and started it " said "Ok ...its running " she said "'well you are not driving it like an idiot" ....

OK OK.... Moral of the story ... an airplane sitting there isn't going to kill anyone, yes when its running there is a chance something can and will go wrong ... but if you approach it with the right attitude, treat it with the respect it deserves, drive it respectfully and within the limits of the law ... the chances are you will need to sell it when you are retireing ...etc....

I saw a picture the other day of a cat looking in the mirror and sees a Lion .... so if your an inexperienced pilot and you look in the mirror and see an image of what you think a proffessional pilot looks like ...... Its you ... its you who decides how good you want to be .... it you who decides what your standards of excellence are .. the choice is yours.

My daughter was at work one day, and a manager asked her to do something over again because she walked into the room and left footprints in the carpet... He said we have standards here and we do not deviate from them ... If I do not make you do it over again ... then that is the NEW STANDARD .... so you decide how good your airmanship needs to be. you set your standards ...

And the pilot lived happily ever after and all the other pilots will look up to him/her and respect him/her. Maybe ... thanks for reading that ...
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Re: Ah, Airmanship, Where Has It Gone?

Post by bstock » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:17 am

Airmanship involves every little aspect of aviation. Like everything else in life, this isn't exactly something that can be learned from a book or instructional video, but rather something that we learn through experience and example. Unfortunately I think at least some of the blame must be placed the structure of Canadian aviation training. The vast majority of the flight instructors are new to this industry and bring very little experience to the table. These individuals have not had the time, let alone the experience and guidance required to even wrap their heads around everything airmanship encompasses, or the skill itself. And as we all know, you cannot pass on a skill that you have not have a proper understanding of.
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