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G'day 1830

Here's a photo of 1st Lieutenant Snell, U.S. Army.

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One of the 315 Lockheed Venturas operated on coastal patrol by the RCAF during the war was s/n2263, DK*R, used by #1 Air Weapons School, Trenton until 1953. The aircraft was destroyed in a fire at Opa Locka, Fl 18 Aug 1970, as a Howard 350 conversion

1/48 scale kit by Revell.

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G'day

Here are four Northrop Deltas from No. 13 (Operational Training) Squadron. The squadron had been previously known as the Seaplane and Bomber Reconnaissance Training School effective the 1st of May, 1940. The Deltas were operated from R.C.A.F. Station Sea Island (Vancouver) until moving to R.C.A.F. Station Patricia Bay (Victoria) on the 1st of November, 1940. The Deltas were withdrawn from use by the squadron circa November, 1940.

No. 13 (OT) Squadron was part of Western Air Command. Wing Commander R. G. Briese was the original commanding officer until relinquishing command to Squadron Leader Z. L. Leigh on the 15th of July, 1941.

The Royal Canadian Air Force used 3 Delta Mk. I's (taken on strength the 1st of September, 1936) and 14 Delta Mk. II's (taken on strength on the 4th of November, 1937). They were officially struck off strength by the R.C.A.F. on the 14th of February, 1945.

You can just make out another Delta peeking out from behind the corner of the hangar as well as a couple of Tiger Moths and an Avro Anson Mk. I.

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Not Tigermoths .
They look like Avro Tutors to me
And behind the tails of the Northrups it looks like there is a Pussmoth of Hornetmoth
with its wings folded back
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Good eye Cam!

I was wondering if anyone would pick that up. I believe the Tutors are from No. 111 (Coastal Artillery Co-operation) Squadron (Auxiliary).

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G'day

“He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.”

Fields of aircraft as shown here, dotted the Canadian landscape from coast to coast after the Second World War. Aircraft that shortly before had been used to train young men to take the war to the axis powers, now sat mute awaiting an uncertain fate. Aircraft were snapped up by farmers in many cases for no other reason than just the fuel they had in their tanks or the precious tires that had been rationed during the war. Ansons and Bolingbrokes made fine chicken coops. Many of the more sought after aircraft types like the Dakota and Beech Expediter found a ready market once they were put up for sale. The uses of these surplussed aircraft were as boundless as one's imagination. Most of the aircraft shown (forefront) are Airspeed Oxfords. There is a single Westland Lysander on the left and a large number of North American Harvards in the background.

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G'day

A Canadair CF-5A s/n116729 from 433 'Porcupine' Tactical Fighter Squadron (433e L'Escadre de Combat) overflies Canadian Forces Station Mont Apica. The radar station was home to 12 Aircraft Control and Warning Squadron (callsign Scabbard) from the 1st of October, 1952 until closure on the 1st of August, 1990.

CF-5A s/n 116729 was taken on strength with 433 Squadron at C.F.B. Bagotville, Quebec on the 1st of April, 1970. It was transferred to 419 'Moose' Tactical Fighter Training Squadron at C.F.B. Cold Lake, Alberta on the 5th of September, 1975. It next served with 434 'Bluenose' Tactical Fighter Squadron at C.F.B. Bagotville as of the 16th of May, 1983. While with A,M.D.U. (Aerospace Maitenance Devlopment Unit) at C.F.B. Trenton, Ontario, the aircraft was transferred to Canadair Limited at Cartierville, Quebec on the 4th of June, 1987 in support of D.D.A.T.T. testing. It was struck off strength from the Canadian Forces on the 26th of May, 1988.

I remember while living here in North Bay from 67-71 as a military dependant, close to 60 CF-5's were flown directly from Canadair to here for long-term storage.

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I have put together an extensive list showing the number of Royal Air Force personnel killed in action while serving with Royal Canadian Air Force bomber squadrons.

When the Royal Canadian Air Force formed its first bomber squadron overseas on the 23rd of April, 1941 at Driffield, Yorkshire, Royal Air Force aircrew made up the majority of its ranks. There were just not enough Canadians trained yet. No. 405 'Vancouver' (B) Squadron's first commanding officer, Wing Commander P. A. Gilchrist was a Canadian serving with the Royal Air Force.

When the squadron started flying operations, it was not uncommon for entire crews to be made up of R.A.F. personnel. A good example of this is the squadron's first operational loss. It was a crew of six made up entirely of R.A.F. personnel. This took place on the night of the 16th/17th of June, 1941. The crew of a Vickers Wellington B. Mk. II s/n W5522 and coded LQ-Q was lost on an operation against Köln, Germany. The crew was made up of:

Pilot - Sergeant W. F. Macgregor
Pilot - Pilot Officer G. H. S. Pullen
Observer - Sergeant R. T. Martin
Wireless Operator/Air Gunner - Sergeant S. N. Harvey
Wireless Operator/Air Gunner - Sergeant J. L. Angell
Air Gunner - Flight Sergeant - L. V. Goode

For the longest time after the introduction of the Halifax and Lancaster into R.C.A.F. service, a typical Canadian crew would include an R.A.F. Flight Engineer. As more Canadians were trained as F/E's the number of R.A.F. F/E's declined. As you can see from the list, Canadian squadrons still had R.A.F. personnel serving and dying right to the last days of the war in Europe.

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No. 405 ‘Vancouver’ (B) Squadron (1941)
June – 6
July – 6
August – 9
September – 6
November – 3
December – 3
Total = 31

No. 408 ‘Goose’ (B) Squadron (1941)
October – 5
November- 7
December – 9
Total = 21
*Total R.A.F. operational casualties for 1941 = 52

No. 405 ‘Vancouver’ (B) Squadron (1942)
January – 2
February – 0
March – 2
April – 12
May - 3
June – 19
July – 13
August – 8
September – 7
October - 9
November – 1
December – 0
Total = 76

No. 408 ‘Goose’ (B) Squadron (1942)
January – 12
February – 0
March – 9
April – 4
May – 6
June – 9
July – 7 + 2 Air Training Cadets
August – 11
September - 0
October – 0
November- 2
December – 0
Total = 58

No. 419 ‘Moose’ (B) Squadron (1942)
January – 0
February – 1
March – 4
April – 1
May - 2
June – 0
July – 3
August – 3
September – 2
October - 2
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 18

No. 420 ‘Snowy Owl’ (B) Squadron (1942)
January – 0
February – 9
March – 1
April – 12
May - 4
June – 7
July – 10
August – 0
September – 0
October - 1
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 44
* Total R.A.F. operational casualties for 1942 = 212 + 2 Air Training Corps Cadets

No. 405 ‘Vancouver’ (B) Squadron
January –
February –
March – 9
April – 3
May - 5
June – 2
July – 2
August – 17
September – 4
October - 4
November – 7
December – 6
Total = 59

No. 408 ‘Goose’ (B) Squadron
January – 7
February – 4
March – 8
April – 15
May – 1
June – 7
July – 17
August – 0
September - 0
October – 2
November- 11
December – 9
Total = 81

No. 419 ‘Moose’ (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 2
March – 5
April – 7
May - 14
June – 10
July – 2
August – 16
September – 18
October - 6
November – 4
December – 0
Total = 85

No. 420 ‘Snowy Owl’ (B) Squadron
January – 3
February – 3
March – 4
April – 3
May - 0
June – 0
July – 0
August –0
September – 0
October - 0
November – 0
December – 0`
Total = 13

No. 424 ‘Tiger’ (B) Squadron
January – 3
February – 6
March – 0
April – 1
May - 4
June – 0
July – 0
August - 0
September – 0
October - 0
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 14

No. 425‘Alouette’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 3
March – 0
April – 4
May - 0
June – 0
July – 0
August – 0
September – 0
October - 0
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 7

No. 426 ‘Thunderbird’ (B) Squadron
January – 3
February – 2
March – 6
April – 2
May - 9
June – 0
July – 0
August – 10
September – 0
October - 4
November – 6
December – 11
Total = 53

No. 427 ‘Lion’ (B) Squadron
January – 11
February – 14
March – 2
April – 1
May - 0
June – 7
July – 0
August –8
September – 18
October - 25
November – 4
December – 1
Total = 91

No. 428 ‘Ghost’ (B) Squadron
January – 2
February – 0
March – 4
April – 5
May - 5
June – 1
July – 6
August – 24
September – 26
October - 5
November – 12
December – 6
Total = 96

No. 429 ‘Bison’ (B) Squadron
January – 8
February – 1
March – 17
April – 21
May - 7
June – 7
July – 5
August - 0
September – 0
October - 12
November – 6
December – 5
Total = 89

No. 431 ‘Iroquois’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 0
March – 5
April – 6
May - 19
June – 3
July – 3
August –0
September – 0
October - 14
November – 6
December – 17
Total = 73

No. 432 ‘Leaside’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 0
March – 0
April – 0
May - 1
June – 4
July – 1
August – 6
September –3
October - 4
November –6
December – 2
Total = 27

No. 433 ‘Porcupine (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 0
March – 0
April – 0
May - 0
June – 0
July – 3
August – 0
September –0
October - 0
November –0
December – 1
Total = 4

No. 434 ‘Bluenose (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 0
March – 0
April – 0
May - 0
June – 0
July – 0
August – 9
September – 21
October - 14
November – 9
December – 0
Total = 53
* Total R.A.F. operational casualties for 1943 = 745

No. 405 ‘Vancouver’ (B) Squadron
January – 19
February – 3
March – 1
April – 7
May - 6
June – 4
July – 3
August – 2
September – 2
October - 0
November – 0
December – 2
Total = 49

No. 408 ‘Goose’ (B) Squadron
January – 12
February – 11
March – 8
April – 1
May – 5
June – 12
July – 4
August – 0
September - 0
October – 0
November- 1
December – 2
Total = 56

No. 415 ‘Swordfish (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 0
March – 0
April – 0
May - 0
June – 0
July – 1
August – 1
September – 0
October - 0
November – 1
December – 0
Total = 3

No. 419 ‘Moose’ (B) Squadron
January – 4
February – 8
March – 1
April – 1
May - 5
June – 12
July – 1
August – 4
September – 1
October - 4
November – 1
December – 3
Total = 45

No. 420 ‘Snowy Owl’ (B) Squadron
January –0
February – 2
March – 2
April – 4
May - 4
June – 3
July – 4
August – 0
September – 0
October - 0
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 17

No. 424 ‘Tiger’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 4
March – 3
April – 4
May - 4
June – 1
July – 3
August – 1
September – 0
October - 1
November – 4
December – 0
Total = 25

No. 425‘Alouette’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 2
March – 9
April – 3
May - 1
June – 0
July – 2
August – 3
September - 0
October - 0
November – 1
December – 1
Total = 22

No. 426 ‘Thunderbird’ (B) Squadron
January – 12
February – 1
March – 10
April – 0
May - 3
June – 4
July – 2
August – 0
September – 3
October - 0
November – 2
December – 2
Total = 39

No. 427 ‘Lion’ (B) Squadron
January – 9
February – 10
March – 7
April – 3
May - 5
June – 3
July – 3
August – 1
September – 0
October - 1
November – 1
December – 0
Total = 43

No. 428 ‘Ghost’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 2
March – 0
April – 1
May - 0
June – 0
July – 1
August – 5
September – 0
October - 1
November – 2
December – 3
Total = 15

No. 429 ‘Bison’ (B) Squadron
January –6
February –8
March – 4
April – 2
May - 6
June – 1
July – 3
August – 2
September – 0
October - 2
November – 2
December – 3
Total = 39

No. 431 ‘Iroquois’ (B) Squadron
January – 9
February – 5
March – 0
April – 4
May - 4
June – 8
July – 9
August – 2
September – 0
October - 2
November – 0
December – 0
Total = 43

No. 432 ‘Leaside’ (B) Squadron
January – 10
February – 2
March – 6
April – 5
May - 8
June – 4
July – 2
August – 1
September – 1
October - 3
November – 0
December – 2
Total = 44

No. 433 ‘Porcupine (B) Squadron
January – 4
February – 2
March – 6
April – 6
May - 0
June – 0
July – 3
August – 5
September – 0
October - 1
November – 1
December – 1
Total = 29

No. 434 ‘Bluenose (B) Squadron
January –16
February – 3
March – 2
April – 0
May - 0
June – 7
July – 2
August – 2
September – 0
October - 2
November – 1
December – 1
Total = 36
* Total R.A.F. operational casualties for 1944 = 505

No. 405 ‘Vancouver’ (B) Squadron
January – 4
February – 2
March – 3
April – 0
May -
Total = 9

No. 408 ‘Goose’ (B) Squadron
January – 2
February –1
March – 1
April – 3
May – 0
Total = 7

No. 415 ‘Swordfish (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 2
March – 3
April – 1
May - 0
Total = 7

No. 419 ‘Moose’ (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 2
March – 1
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 4

No. 420 ‘Snowy Owl’ (B) Squadron
January –4
February –2
March – 3
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 9

No. 424 ‘Tiger’ (B) Squadron
January – 3
February – 1
March – 2
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 6

No. 425 ‘Alouette’ (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 0
March – 1
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 2

No. 426 ‘Thunderbird’ (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 1
March – 4
April – 1
May - 0
Total = 7

No. 427 ‘Lion’ (B) Squadron
January –1
February - 2
March – 0
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 3

No. 428 ‘Ghost’ (B) Squadron
January – 2
February – 1
March – 1
April – 1
May - 0
Total = 5

No. 429 ‘Bison’ (B) Squadron
January – 2
February – 0
March – 1
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 3

No. 431 ‘Iroquois’ (B) Squadron
January – 1
February – 0
March – 3
April – 2
May - 0
Total = 6

No. 432 ‘Leaside’ (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 4
March – 2
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 6

No. 433 ‘Porcupine (B) Squadron
January – 0
February – 1
March – 1
April – 1
May - 0
Total = 3

No. 434 ‘Bluenose (B) Squadron
January –0
February –0
March – 1
April – 0
May - 0
Total = 1
Total R.A.F. Operational casualties for 1945 = 78
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G'day

This is photo is supplemental to my Ground Observer Corps aticle.

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G'day

Here is a Lockheed Hudson Mk. I, s/n 785 and coded OY-U from No. 145 (BR) Squadron based at R.C.A.F. Station Torbay, Newfoundland. The aircraft was a Lend-Lease aircraft and originally R.A.F. s/n N7390. It was delivered directly to the R.C.A.F. at Ottawa, Ontario on the 18th of July, 1940. The aircraft was transferred to No. 145 (BR) Squadron on the 29th of July, 1940. This bomber reconnaissance squadron was under operational control of Eastern Air Command's No. 1 Group.

Hudson 785 was lost in a Category 'A' accident on the 30th of July, 1942. The crew were on a flight from R.C.A.F. Station Gander, Newfoundland to R.C.A.F. Station Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. The Hudson flown by R86271 Flight Sergeant C. E. Ross,was coming in high and fast. The aerodrome control officer notified him and ordered a go around. Ross never heard the order because after he got landing clearance he took off his headset. The visibility at the time was poor with rain showers.

At, 19:30 hours when the Hudson touched down, full brakes were not immediately applied. It wasn't until Ross could see the end of the runway that he applied full braking. Unfortunately for him, it was too late. Ross rolled straight down the runway but slowed down after it went off the end of the runway. It travelled across rocks and went into a gully. A fire broke out causing the aircraft to be heavily damaged. The aircraft was a write-off. Three onboard were severely injured, one was seriously injured while the other four airmen were slightly injured.

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Here's one or should I say five for the Colonel.

You will notice these Canadair CF-104 Starfighters are in numerical sequence. The full serial numbers are 12701 – 12705.

The Royal Canadian Air Force accepted the first of 200 single-seat CF-104's on the 28th of March, 1961. They also took on strength 22 two-seat CF-104D Mk. 1's on the 16th of January, 1962 and 16 two-seat CF-104D Mk. 2's on the 18th of November, 1964.

The R.C.A.F. acquired a single Lockheed-built F-104A (serial number 12700) on the the 27th of June. 1963 to the

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Moose47 wrote:G'day

Here's one or should I say five for the Colonel.

You will notice these Canadair CF-104 Starfighters are in numerical sequence. The full serial numbers are 12701 – 12705.

The Royal Canadian Air Force accepted the first of 200 single-seat CF-104's on the 28th of March, 1961. They also took on strength 22 two-seat CF-104D Mk. 1's on the 16th of January, 1962 and 16 two-seat CF-104D Mk. 2's on the 18th of November, 1964.

The R.C.A.F. acquired a single Lockheed-built F-104A (serial number 12700) on the the 27th of June. 1963 to the

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As a side note, all five belonged to AETE in Cool Pool. While I don't know the history of all of them; 702 is on a stick in Grande Centre. 705 crashed on a low level flight over a lake in winter causing the pilot to get into whiteout conditions, shortly after a great deal of money had been spent to instrument it extensively; his story as he told it to me, is amazing by virtue of the fact that he actually survived it. 704 was the first aircraft I ever worked on following my arrival from Borden, I was skinny enough to climb into the avionics bay and remove the accelerometers that had been installed in it. The last I saw of it, it was sitting outside the old J-85 test cell at the north end of the runway. 701 was apparently cannibalized and 703 was transferred to Denmark but has recently been returned to the museum in Winnipeg for restoration.
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One of the many CF-104s built by my aircraft factory, 815 was flown by 434 Sqn 3 Wing RCAF Zweibrucken, Germany. This is a 1:32 scale very old kit by Hasegawa.

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Note that it has the leading and trailing edge boots on the wing

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G'day Shitdisturber

701 - Written off and canabalized for parts

702 - as you mentioned on a pedestal in Grand Centre

703 - Sold to the Royal Danish Air Force and used as a decoy at Karup Air Base

704 - Aircraft battle damage repair instructional airframe

705 - My buddy's brother Major Gerry Nicks, A.E.T.E. Engineering Officer was flying it on a low-level training mission when he struck the frozen surface of a lake. He punched out and lived to talk about it.

Gerry's brother Don and I were in the same kindergarden class at R.C.A.F. Station Saskatoon. We met again while he was doing a ground tour at Fighter Group H.Q. here at 22 Wing. Don ended up in the Jaw at F.I.S. and then went civvy there.

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Moose47 wrote:G'day Shitdisturber

701 - Written off and canabalized for parts

702 - as you mentioned on pedestal in Grand Centre

703 - Sold to the Royal Danish Air Force and used as a decoy at Karup Air Base

704 - Aircraft battle damage repair instructional airframe

705 - My buddy's brother Major Gerry Nicks, A.E.T.E. Engineering Officer was flying it on a low-level training mission when he struck the frozen surface of a lake. He punched out and lived to talk about it.

Gerry's brother Don and I were in the same kindergarden class at R.C.A.F. Station Saskatoon. We met again while he was doing a ground tour at Fighter Group H.Q. here at 22 Wing. Don ended up in the Jaw at F.I.S. and then went civvy there.

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Hey Chris;

I played hockey with Gerry in Cold Lake so that's how I got the story from the horse's mouth since I was still a couple of months away from starting basic when it happened. Good guy, and on this occasion at least, incredibly lucky! If he ever told you what happened it's amazing he's still with us! The last time I ran into him was a bunch of years ago at the Aerocentre in YYC when he came in flying a Tbird. He'd retired then ended up back at AETE as a reservist.
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G'day Shitdisturber

Yeah I think Gerry was flying a T-Bag with 417 Combat Support Squadron for a while too. Don and Wanda are still in Moose Jaw.

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G'day Barney

Beautiful model.

Are those Leading Edge or Arrow Graphic decals?

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G'day

Here's one for you guys on the 'wet' coast.

A shot of a Lockheed-Vega Ventura G.R. Mk. V and a fuselage of one from No. 8 (BR) Squadron at R.C.A.F. Station Port Hardy, B.C. During this time, the squadron was commanded by Squadron Leader H. M. Lay. The squadron operated the Ventura at Port Hardy from the 10th of December, 1943 to 19th of March, 1944.

Cheers...Chris
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Re: RCAF History Forum

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G'day

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, for the want of the good old days when you could pull off shit like this and only get a tongue lashing with a wink of an eye. A Golden Hawk Sabre comes in from the north along the hangar line at R.C.A.F. Station Chatham, New Brunswick.

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Moose47 wrote:G'day Shitdisturber

701 - Written off and canabalized for parts

702 - as you mentioned on a pedestal in Grand Centre

703 - Sold to the Royal Danish Air Force and used as a decoy at Karup Air Base

704 - Aircraft battle damage repair instructional airframe

705 - My buddy's brother Major Gerry Nicks, A.E.T.E. Engineering Officer was flying it on a low-level training mission when he struck the frozen surface of a lake. He punched out and lived to talk about it.

Gerry's brother Don and I were in the same kindergarden class at R.C.A.F. Station Saskatoon. We met again while he was doing a ground tour at Fighter Group H.Q. here at 22 Wing. Don ended up in the Jaw at F.I.S. and then went civvy there.

Cheers...Chris
Hi Chris

Some updates on 104s for you

703 is at the Starfighter Museum in Winnipeg after being purchased and shipped to the USA and then sold to the Museum.

704 is at the Bagotville Air Defence Museum after spending many years sitting in Suffield, Bagotville beat our museum to it while we were going through channels...dammit.

Drumroll please

12701 later 104701 the first Canadair Starfighter and thought to be lost...has been found.
Waiting for confirmation information to be sure but initial photographs sure make it look like her.
Stored in the USA in a desert facility...she is for sale.

Will keep you posted as now I need to find her a home back in Canada...our museum has neither the money or the space at this time.

The Alberta Aviation Museum's F-104 dual is scheduled to arrive March 26...finally after just shy of 18months of paperwork split over 3 countries.

Tom H
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