TC Aviation Enforcements in COPA

[Colonel Sanders]

Just thumbing through the latest copy of the COPA
newpaper which arrived in the mail.

I like to stop and read the "parade of shame" page
which lists the recent Enforcement actions, mostly
to keep up with what my friends and family are up to.

This one kinda stuck out:

A private pilot operating a Cessna 172 was found not
to have been in possession of the licence booklet and
flying without a valid medical. The individual was
sanctioned with a licence suspension totalling 15 days

Unfortunately it didn't say how many of those days
was for not having a valid medical, and how many of
those days was for not having his licence booklet
physically in his possession at the time he committed
the offence of aviation.

But does it really make sense to take away someone's
licence booklet, because they didn't have it? Aren't you
really just reinforcing their bad behaviour?

What I would do is make the guy show up at 9am, for
15 days in a row at the TC district office, with the licence
booklet in his possession. This remedial training
would teach him to carry it around with him, which is
obviously the biggest problem facing him in aviation.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

[flatface]

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[Colonel Sanders]

I don't think TC gets it's knickers in a bunch over
not having a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's
Certificate. I think that's Industry Canada.

PS You can fly an aircraft without the above paper
if it doesn't have a radio. Or, if you don't transmit
on it. You don't need paper to listen. Somebody
would have to have proof that you actually keyed
the mike.

[Relic]

Soon enough there will be an App for that

[Colonel Sanders]

Speaking of computers (vs paper) ...

I really don't know why anyone has to carry around
all those terribly important bits of paper any more.

Airplanes have big letters on the side of them, a foot
high. If you can see lightning and hear thunder, you
could punch those letters - there aren't very many
of them - into your phone and find out that yes, it
has a C of R and yes, it has a C of A. So why do we
have to carry around those terribly important bits
of paper?

You can also punch the aircraft registration into
the CAWIS database and verify the date of the last
annual inspection, and the name and file number of
the AME/AMO that did it.

Similarly, pilots often have unique "names" which TC
inspectors could enter into their computer database.
The pilots don't even have to know their file number.
The TC inspector could look up the pilot and find out
that yes, he has a pilot licence and yes, he has a valid
medical.

What is this fetish with paper? Does it have something
to do with the opposite of tree-hugging? A deep seated
hatred of trees?

[Masters Off]

Perhaps it was just one of those CAR's that was never considered to be ammended. If you don't complain, they don't ammend? I think it's rather silly as well, and a good waste of our time. Futhermore, they do all this work to get a passport-like document, then don't make it a passport. Could have saved one more document to deal with and renew every year, etc. But maybe we're just dreaming on that fact.

[Colonel Sanders]

I really don't know why the licence booklet
has to expire every 5 years. I really like my
FAA pilot certificate. It's a plastic card, the
same size as my driver's licence. Lists all my
qualifications and never expires.

I know, we had to do "something different"

Not too long from now, plenty of Canadian pilots
will be flying around with expired licence booklets.

And TC will take months and months to renew them.

This clearly, is also the biggest problem facing
aviation in Canada in the 21st century.

[Rockie]

Similarly, pilots often have unique "names" which TC inspectors could enter into their computer database. The pilots don't even have to know their file number. The TC inspector could look up the pilot and find out that yes, he has a pilot licence and yes, he has a valid medical.

That's step two. Step one is asking the pilot to physically produce a valid license and medical, and if he does step two is no longer necessary. Step two is also greatly complicated when the inspector doesn't have ready access to a computer, or the pilot in question is from another country, or the Canadian pilot in question happens to get ramped in someplace like Italy, or Japan, or Hong Kong etc. etc. etc....

Maybe that's why they have a step one.

If you're looking for the biggest problem in aviation Hedley, I don't think having to be in possession of your credentials is it either.

[Prairie Chicken]

I like to stop and read the "parade of shame" page
which lists the recent Enforcement actions, mostly
to keep up with what my friends and family are up to.

[photofly]

If you're required to have the documents with you then an inspector can instantly ground you by confiscating them. No need to access any databases.

The rules are not about making life easier for pilots; they're about making life easier for the authorities.

I bet also that it's an ICAO requirement for the CofR and CofA to be on board.

I really don't know why the licence booklet
has to expire every 5 years.

Probably to force you to update your photograph.

I really like my
FAA pilot certificate. It's a plastic card, the
same size as my driver's licence. Lists all my
qualifications and never expires.

If congress finally mandates the FAA to put photos on the Airman Certificate, I expect it will have a five year expiry, too.

[imarai]

Yes, driver's license and proof of insurance. You have it with you and/or in your car right? Mind you, when a doctor opens you up for an appendectomy, patients and nurses seldom ask to see a docor's credentials, do they? It is assumed in the medical world, but not for pilots and drivers..

[Rockie]

Mind you, when a doctor opens you up for an appendectomy, patients and nurses seldom ask to see a docor's credentials, do they?

Hospitals and operating theaters don't move, and unknown doctor's don't just walk in off the street and open people up for appendectomies either. They aren't the same thing at all.

[SRV]

The reason licenses are issued in our system of regulations, is not that it proves you can operate the machine etc., it's so it can be suspended or cancelled.

It is a draconian system of mistrust based on thieves getting caught.

[photofly]

Hospitals and operating theaters don't move, and unknown doctor's don't just walk in off the street and open people up for appendectomies either.

Actually sometimes they do just that. There are some very well known cases of non-qualified people claiming all sorts of qualifications and doing all sorts of procedures; sometimes they go undetected for years. Medial credentialing is a very important field for those who administer hospitals.

[Shiny Side Up]

What is this fetish with paper? Does it have something
to do with the opposite of tree-hugging? A deep seated
hatred of trees?

Probably. After all, while there's something to be said for some good paper in your hands, the smell, the texture... Where was I? Oh yes, the same impulse I have to turn trees into pulp, is related to the one where I enjoy turning avgas into noise and smoke.

On a serious note, the issue of paper certainly makes my job easier, being in the business of hiring pilots and renting airplanes to them since as of yet, while a TC employee may make inquiries to a national database, I cannot. I'm not sure you'd want the general public to have such access, so when it becomes necessary, we have paper to facilitate the dealings of the rest of us mere mortals.

One should note as well, that with the current system if it was acceptable to just give one's name and license number it would be super easy to impersonate a fair number of the avcanada posters.

[Masters Off]

I guess what bothers me, is that when I sit on my wallet when I'm driving or flying or whatever, it's fat. I've got so many cards, it's ridiculous. So many different qualifications, licences, health card number, SIN, credit, debit, rewards and more rewards cards. So when I have to add in a pilots licence and radio licence, passport, etc. It's a real pain in the butt, literally.

I hope that one day we reduce this number of cards, papers we carry around in general. I know it can be done, it could be quite easy for that matter. As far as I know, in my home province of Ontario, you don't have to have your Driver's Licence on you, however you have to produce it within 24 hours. One government issued card/chip that includes all your information, perhaps a private market one for all the rewards/credit/debit.

Anyways, I only complain because it's a pain in my ass...and people have to look at my bad picture.

[beaverbob]

Here is my 2 bitches about the new license.
1 there are places to stamp for 52 medicals. That's good for ten medicals a year and 2 left over for the 5 years life of the book.
2 There are no pages reserved for your company documentations. So you still need to pack a folder of some kind for company cards, such as WHMIS, Dangerous goods, elementary work, etc. I put them inside the license booklet, but easy to loose.

What a joke of a license.

Bob Bates

[Colonel Sanders]

while a TC employee may make inquiries to a national database, I cannot. I'm not sure you'd want the general public to have such access

Not sure what the big deal is. The FAA allows anyone
to access a database of pilot certificates. I've downloaded
the whole thing just for grins - you can, too. I found myself
listed there, with two different pilot certificates

TC is sort of already there. In the CAWIS website, where
you submit an AAIR, you can search any AME/AMO. Again,
not sure what the big deal is.

On the subject of paper vs computer ... I remember recently
reading about some aviation event in the USA, and the FAA
caught a fellow missing some terribly important piece of
paper. So, he had a buddy email it to him, and showed it
to the FAA on his iPad, and the FAA bought it. I forget if it
was for him or the aircraft. Not sure it matters, really.

[ScudRunner]

Here is my 2 bitches about the new license.
1 there are places to stamp for 52 medicals. That's good for ten medicals a year and 2 left over for the 5 years life of the book.
2 There are no pages reserved for your company documentations. So you still need to pack a folder of some kind for company cards, such as WHMIS, Dangerous goods, elementary work, etc. I put them inside the license booklet, but easy to loose.

What a joke of a license.

Bob Bates

I prefer them to the old pieces of crap, just pick on of these up at Walmart and stuff it in your headset case.
http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=673133011



Think mine cost 15 bucks in the photolab.

Wait a sec just noticed this

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WTF over!

[Beefitarian]

That should cut down your chances of thieving weasels taking your loot.